New Massey Combines

nebrmassey · 12-10-2011, 12:18 PM

I was wasting time yesterday looking on Agco Parts Book at all the parts that go into the 9500 series machines and got to wondering about how a machine is developed. Would anyone care to speculate how long it takes to go from initial concept to finished product? How do they get all the parts made and then get them to fit together so the combine will work? Then how many units have to be sold and at what price to recoup the investment, pay employees, maintain facilities and keep shareholders happy? It all seems like an overwhelming and risky venture to me and I admire the people who can do it.

8850jd · 12-10-2011, 12:37 PM

Helps when the concept was original developed in 1970's.. as far as why the dont us as many common components who knows?

northernfarmer · 12-10-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 8850jd

Helps when the concept was original developed in 1970's.. as far as why the dont us as many common components who knows?

interesting that you mention that the 9500 series was developed in the 70s.. that is what I was told just the other day.. with the 9500s we are seeing what Massey was developing before the purchase of White Combines.. right down to the rotor design.

I know someone must know if this is true..

jnvr ont · 12-10-2011, 05:17 PM

I remember a freind of mine was on the Massey test combine team in I beleive in 83 They went through the states with this machine which was a cylinder in front of a rotor design. I beleive they were in California up against JD 8820's and a White 9700 at the time. They took one look at the White blowing the doors off both machines and basically that was end of that test combine from what iwas told and later they bought out the White combine.... true story

quappelle · 12-10-2011, 05:50 PM

My local dealer sold one 9700, maybe more. Unfortunately he passed away this spring at too young an age, so I can't pick his brains. IIRC, Cockshutt began work on a rotary about 1956, before the White merger. Serious development started in 1964, have that on paper, with sales starting about 10 years later. They built five prototypes at a cost of $185,000 each.

A story I heard was that Massey was working on a rotary too, but the Cockshutt - White design was better. John Deere copied it and made the CTS, and Lexion made it work. Heard some stories about old man Cockshutt and the merger with Massey, but I guess I have to protect the guilty. Canadians may remember Sinclair Stevens.

8850jd · 12-10-2011, 06:15 PM

The Massey design became mostly what we call the john Deere STS. They took the 8590 rotor drive concept and made it simpler...
I wish it was something so awesome like reinventing the wheel.. but with new engine designs and the radiators being seperate from the engine... these are questions I asked when we complain about these machines..
White must have had a better machine.. but you may be more on track with the farming crisis and Massey say it would be cheaper to shelf the design and go with a.machine that is done to sell.

**Don Boles** · 12-10-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quappelle

Canadians may remember Sinclair Stevens.

Yes, I do.
Another, quality, upstanding politician.

Don

quappelle · 12-10-2011, 06:38 PM

Nope. The Massey cylinder and rotor design is like the earlier JD CTS. The current STS is a copy of the Cockshutt - White - Massey beater and rotor design.

8850jd · 12-10-2011, 07:05 PM

Really... so more like the new Delta.... too bad Massey didn't come out with that combine... beater to twin rotors... oh right that is what new Holland is trying to do....

I live how Massey Ferguson lead the way in harvestors 50+ years ago and dump more good ideas the other companies have!!

8850jd · 12-10-2011, 07:11 PM

What did this Sinclair do... like most... make sure him and his friends got super rich?

12-10-2011, 12:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
nebrmassey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 257	New Massey Combines I was wasting time yesterday looking on Agco Parts Book at all the parts that go into the 9500 series machines and got to wondering about how a machine is developed. Would anyone care to speculate how long it takes to go from initial concept to finished product? How do they get all the parts made and then get them to fit together so the combine will work? Then how many units have to be sold and at what price to recoup the investment, pay employees, maintain facilities and keep shareholders happy? It all seems like an overwhelming and risky venture to me and I admire the people who can do it.

12-10-2011, 05:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
quappelle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 260	My local dealer sold one 9700, maybe more. Unfortunately he passed away this spring at too young an age, so I can't pick his brains. IIRC, Cockshutt began work on a rotary about 1956, before the White merger. Serious development started in 1964, have that on paper, with sales starting about 10 years later. They built five prototypes at a cost of $185,000 each. A story I heard was that Massey was working on a rotary too, but the Cockshutt - White design was better. John Deere copied it and made the CTS, and Lexion made it work. Heard some stories about old man Cockshutt and the merger with Massey, but I guess I have to protect the guilty. Canadians may remember Sinclair Stevens. Last edited by quappelle; 12-10-2011 at 06:38 PM.

12-10-2011, 12:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
8850jd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: wisconsin Posts: 852	Helps when the concept was original developed in 1970's.. as far as why the dont us as many common components who knows?

12-10-2011, 05:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
jnvr ont Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: ontario Canada Posts: 47	I remember a freind of mine was on the Massey test combine team in I beleive in 83 They went through the states with this machine which was a cylinder in front of a rotor design. I beleive they were in California up against JD 8820's and a White 9700 at the time. They took one look at the White blowing the doors off both machines and basically that was end of that test combine from what iwas told and later they bought out the White combine.... true story

12-10-2011, 06:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
8850jd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: wisconsin Posts: 852	The Massey design became mostly what we call the john Deere STS. They took the 8590 rotor drive concept and made it simpler... I wish it was something so awesome like reinventing the wheel.. but with new engine designs and the radiators being seperate from the engine... these are questions I asked when we complain about these machines.. White must have had a better machine.. but you may be more on track with the farming crisis and Massey say it would be cheaper to shelf the design and go with a.machine that is done to sell.

12-10-2011, 06:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
quappelle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 260	Nope. The Massey cylinder and rotor design is like the earlier JD CTS. The current STS is a copy of the Cockshutt - White - Massey beater and rotor design.

12-10-2011, 07:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
8850jd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: wisconsin Posts: 852	Really... so more like the new Delta.... too bad Massey didn't come out with that combine... beater to twin rotors... oh right that is what new Holland is trying to do.... I live how Massey Ferguson lead the way in harvestors 50+ years ago and dump more good ideas the other companies have!!

12-10-2011, 07:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
8850jd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: wisconsin Posts: 852	What did this Sinclair do... like most... make sure him and his friends got super rich?

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