Agco is pathedic

[wam]

Not looking for sympathy, you're exactly right its my fault for buying it, thats the worst thing about it I was just being a tightwad. Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a C18 and Cat suspension w/DEERE cab,technolgy,and greenstar autosteer

[durallymax]

Im with the others on this issue. Why buy it if you didnt like it. All of the things you listed you would've seen sitting on the lot. They weren't issues that came up later on.

But at the same time, if people never complained about certain things on pieces of equipment things would never get changed.

As far as AGCO being behind everybody, I wouldn't go that far. They are just finally getting settled in as a company and starting to work on building their own products and improving them. Before it was all just buy buy buy and make things a little bit better. From what I am told, the 8600 series massey was Agco's first product entirely built and designed by them. Considering that, they aren't doing too bad. The technologies they have on their equipment are new advanced ideas that others are scared to try. Agco fails at them often enough and gets a bad rap for it up front, they later fix the issues and improve on it, but that never gets talked about because nobody wants to reverse their opinion. In the meantime 5 years later after Agco got flamed for their idea not working, John Deere comes out with a copied idea that they altered, and fixed up to different standards and with more testing and review they release it and suddenly it is the greatest thing in the world.

I will always stand by saying John Deere is the worlds best marketing company when it comes to equipment, heck people in Detroit need to take a lesson from Deere. They have developed a cult following. The green paint is like heroin to many, and for Deere it works great. I give them props for it. Go into town and ask any non farmer what a tractor is, and most of them will say a John Deere or a green thing. Go to a country concert, everybody has John Deere shirts on and if it wasnt for CNH supporting FFA like they do the number of Deere shirts/supporters would be even higher.

John Deere is the Kleenex of Tractors. They have worked hard at establishing that, and it is paying off for them. They are very conservative, they do not try new things often, but will take a new idea that is selling well and improve on it then through more testing than many other OEMs, they will put out a product that works better.


As for the heater shutoff valve. They work, electronics, cables etc etc can fail. The reason for shutoff valves has been due to the fact that on most vehicles the A/C evaportor and heater core are next to each other. If they are in seperate compartments you wouldnt need to shut them off but would need a door to switch the air flow leading to another part that could fail. Or you could oversize the evaporator and use an oversize a/c compressor drawing more power from the engine, or you could just run a smaller compressor past its duty cycle leading to early failures.

Class 8 trucks go for simplicity (when compared to other equipment) which is why they continue with the heater valves.

[dieselroarmt875b]

Deere is still catching up Caterpillars in the powertrain and undercarriage department
if for someone is more important GPS ,or absence of manual valves in ac system so Cadillac then must be
modern farmer is getting to dependent to electronic bull*****
if all satelites will fail in one day everything will stall

[wam]

What new and advanced idea do they have or ever had that everyone else was afraid to try? The only thing they ever had was there air meter on there planters and thats prolly still the best meters out there. But they screwed that up by building junk planter frames for 20yrs, they did finally pull there head out and tried to copy yes copy a 1770NT. Oops they forgot about starter fertilizer, no room for tanks or fert openers?? And if all deere does is copy stuff and it looks like its working for them why wouldn't agco be smart enough to do the same? As far as the new massey its quite a step up for them but has several similarities to the deere ,the industry standard, only thing is it took em about 15 yrs to catch up (1995 deere 8000 intros) don't mean to flame you I'm just asking.

[Jason Hildebrand]

Originally Posted by wam

I think deere makes more improvements from year to year than they did in 3 model changes A-B-C. Why have model changes when nothing changes? That would be like trading a 8520 for a 8360R and not having any improvements, I guess deere guys are the only ones that can understand this.

You may be right but Deere is a pretty bad culprit of changing model names without real improvements. 9760 to 9770 combine? That was a bit of a joke. Deere owners are quite familiar with big shiny decals and thats why we buy them as the Agco boys like to say.

[drallis]

I don't think WAM is paying the bills....just a driver maybe??

[wam]

You know with a handle like Dr. Alice I don't think I'd be worrying about what other people might be doing?

[8850jd]

Originally Posted by Jason Hildebrand

You may be right but Deere is a pretty bad culprit of changing model names without real improvements. 9760 to 9770 combine? That was a bit of a joke. Deere owners are quite familiar with big shiny decals and thats why we buy them as the Agco boys like to say.

Some times I think there is way too much truth to it too. I love my john deere tractors,4020,2940,4850,4955,8850. They are worth thier weight in gold to me. (i can only claim the 88 as mine) I would love a new 8410/8400, 8520. From these numbers there was major improvements. Are the newer say 8530 and R series that much better? I havent had the oppertunity to experince them.

[sport6]

I worked for a JD dealer for a little bit, and now work at a Cat dealer. But for John deere how long did it take them to put a suspenion under there track machines?

Cat had the 35,45,55 with no suspension, but when agco took over with the mt700 it had a suspension to make the ride smoother.

John deere 8000t and 9000t came out in the mid to late 90's, and up to 2-3 years ago finally put a suspension underneath.

And you look at the JD "s" series combines, why do you think they added the drum in front and one behind the rotor? More then likely to thresh the grain better, or maybe to handle more crop input. You look at a Lexion they have had there APS system since 1998 or so, with 4 points of seperation.

[Jason Hildebrand]

And JD made the CTS earlier so what's your point?