Agco is pathedic

[skidooer]

Originally Posted by sport6

John deere 8000t and 9000t came out in the mid to late 90's, and up to 2-3 years ago finally put a suspension underneath.

There are a number of patents related to suspension on track systems for agricultural applications, some of which are owned by CAT. John Deere may not have been able to install a suspension system, even if they wanted to, due to legalities.

It may have taken all those years to:

• Design a brand new suspension system not already covered by existing patents
• Find agreeable licensing terms with a patent holder
• Wait for a relevant patent to expire

I'm not familiar enough with Deere's system to say which one is true, but the point remains that none of the manufacturers can just go adding features to their products as they please. There is a lot of red tape to make it happen.

[8850jd]

Its a mimic industry, ****, john smiths blacksmiths shop made a plow, john deere copied that from 1770, it really doesnt matter.

[Massey man]

Originally Posted by D Mayes

Not sure what name changes you are referring to. They dropped the Cat name when they bought the Cat Challenger line. The Challenger name stayed. They dropped the Deutz name when they bought Deutz Allis which was formally Allis Chalmers and stuck with AGCO Allis. I believe they would have gone back to Allis Chalmers except Deutz has done sold that name off and they couldn't use it. Then they later dropped that name all together since they were essentially the same tractor as Massey Ferguson which is still Massey Ferguson. No name change there unless you go way back in history. Gleaner name has remained on the combine through 3 owners. They did go from galvanized metal to silver paint. AGCO has bought up a lot of brand names and colors. Many they merged under another name that was already in existence but that is not what I consider a name changes. Wonder what name and color they will buy next.

Maybe the green lovers are worried, they sure like running down Agco. It really doesn't make your Deere any better, still stolen or copied from someone that really can build equipment. Most of the ones talking crap on here have never owned Agco products so how can they have such informed opinions? I've had or ran & worked on all brands & I will take a Massey any time.

[lester]

Isn't taking someone elses idea and making it better what almost everything in life is about? Is everyo e suppost to have blinders on? We've only run deere and cats. There's thing I lve and hate about both. Maybe more I dislike with the cats, but they do have a lot of ideas I like that jus need some improvement

[Massey man]

There isn't a machine out there that doesn't need improvement somewhere, I have never seen it anyway. They all copy & improve on others ideas but Agco seems to get criticized for it while Deere gets ooh's & aahh's. Personally I don't care for all the electronics on the new tractors (problems just waiting for a place to happen) but can see why some people need it.It's really just a matter of what you are use to & grew up on & that is usually what you will like best.

[hammerman]

Just wondering if everybody thinks that Deere really improved the return system on their new combines by taking an idea off the old Massey 410?

[northernfarmer]

Originally Posted by hammerman

Just wondering if everybody thinks that Deere really improved the return system on their new combines by taking an idea off the old Massey 410?

I'm sure every boy and girl who wears the green undies thinks so..

is it right that Deere is introducing a new feeder house design? removing the feeder chain and replacing it with paddles.. heard a couple of green boys talking about that the other day.. A Deere salesman had told one of them..
W O W wont that be GREAT.

[TW30]

IF heater valves were the big kicker on a sale, I would have checked that out on the demo......

[lester]

I'll add this and I'm pretty right im right with this information. Its not that the agcos have heater valves but the fact that the dealers had to install them after the fact. Shouldn't this stuff be tested better before it hits the market. Ths happens with all kinds of things. Ohh my 945c didn't have service reminders and lots of other electronic thi g the other models did because they forgot that software. Finally a couple months later they updated thw software

[TW30]

Guess they couldn't make one tractor for every possible climate in the world after all, and some people can't figure THAT out, that is exactly what AGCO tried to do. Some of these threads have me wondering if the poster knows WTF they are talking about, kinda like if I were to start a rant on a 4320 or a Quad Range, both of which I neither know anything about nor am interested in ever using.