It's here! 600 CIH NTTL official test

**Don Boles** · 02-04-2012, 01:23 PM

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf

I believe it's the heaviest tractor and highest drawbar pull...ever.

Looks like max DEF consumption about mid to high 7% of fuel use.

Interesting the max power is at 1900 now, on this test:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/CNH-Steiger600.pdf

It's at 1700 .

By the way, the above link may disappear, so don't be surprised if it does.
Also interesting is that the tractor has shed 1755 pounds of unballasted weight.

At the moment the test has been pulled off the NTTL site.

**Don Boles** · 02-05-2012, 10:40 AM

Looks like the Deere 9630 uses about 13% more fuel, averaged over all gears, lowest engine speed, max ballast, on the drawbar pull.
CIH 600:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf

Deere 9630:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/JD-9630.pdf

So, CIH guys

Deere guys

Also good to see CIH test their tractor with real tires on it instead of a set of sticky track tires!

jaydee · 02-05-2012, 10:56 AM

The 550 would be rather the competitor for the old 9630...Will be intersting to see the 9560R.

Haystack · 02-05-2012, 03:54 PM

Wow, those are impressive pull numbers. You can't dispute the physics of horsepower, mass and big wheels. I noticed the engine has 35 lbs. of turbo pressure. That's a big helping.

It begs the question, at what point can they eliminate all of the reciprocating engine parts and go straight to a Turbonnique engine? To see a Turbonniqe design go to The Boss Cat Legacy Boss Cat I.

There are a few photos of me in that site, but it's like finding a needle in a Haystack.

crking · 02-05-2012, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Boles

Looks like the Deere 9630 uses about 13% more fuel, averaged over all gears, lowest engine speed, max ballast, on the drawbar pull.
CIH 600:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf

Deere 9630:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/JD-9630.pdf

So, CIH guys

Deere guys

Also good to see CIH test their tractor with real tires on it instead of a set of sticky track tires!

LOL, maybe the Deere was re-generating.....

In 2014 there will be a DEF tank on the Deere, they have already employed 2 Iveco, I mean, Fiat Powertrain developers.

bigbudluvr · 02-05-2012, 06:03 PM

Yawn,

So will red dealerships, have a line or two of green flavor in the yard to get rid of in the coming years? Logically speaking everyone should trade up and be more efficient here. How will red salesmen every convice folks to buy the green stuff?

Nah, just put tract set ups on 525/50's. It'll own this thing.

alfred · 02-05-2012, 08:10 PM

no offence the older engines had less torque for example a stieger tiger 4 with a 1150 cummins at 1150 cu in and 525 hp was only 1575lbs torque a new isx cummins at 485 hp is up to 1850 torque so though big bud is heavier it may not outpull the stieger 600

alfred · 02-05-2012, 08:15 PM

i see the torque on that tractor is 1674ft lbs i assume thats measeared at the wheels off there drag sled not on the fly wheel?

farmerleach · 02-05-2012, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Boles

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf

I believe it's the heaviest tractor and highest drawbar pull...ever.

Looks like max DEF consumption about mid to high 7% of fuel use.

Interesting the max power is at 1900 now, on this test:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/CNH-Steiger600.pdf

It's at 1700 .

By the way, the above link may disappear, so don't be surprised if it does.
Also interesting is that the tractor has shed 1755 pounds of unballasted weight.

I thought I paid close attention to the results on that site. You kind of seem to have a jump on posting results Don. Do they send the results to you to proof read them or something?

farmerjones · 02-05-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crking

In 2014 there will be a DEF tank on the Deere, they have already employed 2 Iveco, I mean, Fiat Powertrain developers.

That is complete speculation...you have no way of knowing that. By that time we will probably be looking at solids used to control emissions that last for long periods of times. There is a lot of time to perfect some new technologies, many of which JD is well under way with testing.

So if it's 13% more fuel efficient, where do we subtract for the DEF usage in that equation? You are not comparing apples to apples, however it obviously is showing Case know's how to put out big numbers and good fuel economy. But maybe not as good as the marketing guys what you to believe. Oh wait, Case didn't do it....FPT does all there work. How convenient.

If you think 35 psi is high for the turbo I know a JD 9.0L can top over 55 psi under peak loads with the VGT!!!!!!

02-04-2012, 01:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Don Boles Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Three Hills/Trochu, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,162	It's here! 600 CIH NTTL official test http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf I believe it's the heaviest tractor and highest drawbar pull...ever. Looks like max DEF consumption about mid to high 7% of fuel use. Interesting the max power is at 1900 now, on this test: http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/CNH-Steiger600.pdf It's at 1700 . By the way, the above link may disappear, so don't be surprised if it does. Also interesting is that the tractor has shed 1755 pounds of unballasted weight. At the moment the test has been pulled off the NTTL site. __________________ Don Last edited by Don Boles; 02-16-2012 at 06:36 PM.

02-05-2012, 10:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Don Boles Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Three Hills/Trochu, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,162	Looks like the Deere 9630 uses about 13% more fuel, averaged over all gears, lowest engine speed, max ballast, on the drawbar pull. CIH 600: http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Case/Steiger600.pdf Deere 9630: http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/Deere/JD-9630.pdf So, CIH guys Deere guys Also good to see CIH test their tractor with real tires on it instead of a set of sticky track tires! __________________ Don

02-05-2012, 10:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
jaydee Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 2,260	The 550 would be rather the competitor for the old 9630...Will be intersting to see the 9560R.

02-05-2012, 03:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Haystack Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Manitoba Posts: 434	Wow, those are impressive pull numbers. You can't dispute the physics of horsepower, mass and big wheels. I noticed the engine has 35 lbs. of turbo pressure. That's a big helping. It begs the question, at what point can they eliminate all of the reciprocating engine parts and go straight to a Turbonnique engine? To see a Turbonniqe design go to The Boss Cat Legacy Boss Cat I. There are a few photos of me in that site, but it's like finding a needle in a Haystack.

02-05-2012, 06:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
bigbudluvr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 516	Yawn, So will red dealerships, have a line or two of green flavor in the yard to get rid of in the coming years? Logically speaking everyone should trade up and be more efficient here. How will red salesmen every convice folks to buy the green stuff? Nah, just put tract set ups on 525/50's. It'll own this thing.

02-05-2012, 08:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
alfred Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 510	no offence the older engines had less torque for example a stieger tiger 4 with a 1150 cummins at 1150 cu in and 525 hp was only 1575lbs torque a new isx cummins at 485 hp is up to 1850 torque so though big bud is heavier it may not outpull the stieger 600

02-05-2012, 08:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
alfred Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 510	i see the torque on that tractor is 1674ft lbs i assume thats measeared at the wheels off there drag sled not on the fly wheel?

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