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Old 11-25-2008, 10:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking for a planter that will plant sweet corn, pumpkins, milo, soybeans and other misc seeds. Really like monosems but they are hard to find and are expensive. I was wondering if there were any other types of planters that would handle the types of seeds we plant. We will only be planting 15 acres so we would like to keep the cost under $8-9,000. Thanks for any input
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You could try to find a older Case 1200 six row three point and order plates to do this. Case has plates for all of above other than pumpkins but you can order the right size plate for it if you know specific seed size.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's not a vacuum planter, but you might consider a IH Cyclo planter.
We went from plate planters, to a Cyclo 400. I will never, ever, go back to plates if I can help it.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I've never looked at the Cyclo planters. How do they work compared to a vacuum planter? How would the White 6100s work for planting these types of crops?
Thanks for any info
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The cyclo has a bulk hopper than feeds a rotating drum. The drum has rows of holes in it for the seed, one row of holes for each row unit on the planter. There is a fan that pressurizes the hopper and drum. The air pressure holds the seed to the hole in the drum. The air also acts to move the seed from the drum to the row unit, similar to an air drill/seeder.
The seed delivery really reaches an accurate max at about 8 rows, so anything larger than that will have 2 hoppers & fans.

I believe you can get the planter equipped to run the fan off the remotes, but I'm not sure. The one we have uses a PTO pump to run the fan.
The only real thing you have to watch is make sure spiders don't make webs in the tubes. That makes for awful spacing/population.
Our planter has the seed sensors on each row unit for monitoring population, but we don't have the monitor to hook them up.

A good description & picture: http://www.toytractorshow.com/IHcyclo.htm
Good picture: http://www.toytractortimes.com/tttsu...e/augdown1.htm
12 row for $5,000usd: http://www.equipmentlocator.com/asp/eDet....a-en/close/yes/
A simple 8 row: http://www.yarbro.com/index.cfm/fa/aucti....otoid/28769.htm
A 950 24 row (too much $, but excellent pictures): http://www.carlsonbrothersfarm.com/Planter.html
Missing the drum, but otherwise good pictures (also notice the PTO shaft, apparently for the fan): http://www.purplewave.com/cgi-bin/mn...purple209/6912
Good picture of an 8RW 400: http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/det....e1b5b18b2eb5851
4RW 400: http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/det....e1b5b18b2eb5851
6RN 400: http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/det....e1b5b18b2eb5851
15R 15" split row 500 (probably not many made): http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/det....e1b5b18b2eb5851

Search here for other units: http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/
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Thanks AFXguy!!!!
That helped alot. Got one more question for you. How big are the holes in the drum? Or can the size of the holes be changed? For example we plant sorghum 6 inches apart but we also need to be able plant pumpkins 4 ft. apart with the same planter.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You will have to have separate drums for each seed size(each diffferent crop). The holes are close together so to plant 4 ft apart you would have to plug some of the holes off and slow down the transmission. Could plug off holes with silicone from the inside of the drum if wanting something fairly permant or just duct tape on the outside for temporary use. We only plant corn and beans with them but changed to a finger pickup deere for accuracy on corn. Still got the IH planters though. Works good for beans
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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You are right to want a Monosem for all crops and especially specialty crops. Their seed spacing is the best. We went from an older planter with a short seed drop that we thought was doing a good job, to a no-till 12 row 22" Monosem and gained 40+ bushels of corn. Don't waste your time with a cyclo. You already know that you want a Monosem so keep looking, I know of a couple 12-22" in the RRV and those usually get shipped out to a vegetable growing area because everyone here is going 24 row.
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've always heard that those Cyclo planters are crap, nothing but a nightmare and stay away from them. Might be why they don't make them anymore. But that's just what I've heard.

I'd go with a White if I were you. I know they make plates for everything you've mentioned. And you could probably get a nice 6000 series 4 row, maybe even a 6 row, easily in your price range.
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The seed spacing is changed by a sprocket, same as any other ground driven unit, and by the number of holes in the drum.

The hole sizes and dimple shapes are fixed, but drums with different sizes should be available. If you find one that is close, you could ream/drill out the holes to exactly what you need.

The Cyclo planters had a hard time maintaining seed spacing on more than 8 rows fed from a single drum. The hoses were just too long to maintain a consistent seed travel time. Hence multiple drums for larger machines.

For only 15 acres, several varieties of seeds within that acreage, and less than $8k, I think a Cyclo would be a good fit.

There is a plastic tool that could help you decide. It is a disc that has the dimples and holes in it just like the drums. Part number 113274C3, probably less than $20.
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