three things that ruined rural america

[skidooer]

Originally Posted by DoubleChinRooster

u need to justify what u are saying in regards to the price of machinery going to a million from a few hundred thousand.

It was me who made that comment. It is simple: If corporate America went away, there would be no John Deere, CHN, or Agco to build the machinery for you.

Without the investment behind those companies, machinery would become nearly one-off items. Have you tried building a tractor or combine from scratch? I assure you that it will take more than a couple hundred thousand to do it.

And since new equipment becomes incredibly expensive, the used machinery will look more appealing to farmers, driving the price of it through the roof. Basic laws of supply and demand.

I have read here that it takes around 13 years to design, test, and build a new combine. That is billions of dollars in investment to make it happen. Without something like Wall Street, where does that money come from? Nobody has that much just sitting in the bank.

Corruption is one thing, but these features of the economy came to be out of need. You cannot just remove them, you have to replace them with something far better if you want change.

[tbone95]

Thanks skidooer, it wasn't me, though I agree with you.

And this isn't 1836. The world is quite a different place, and for one major thing, Andrew Jackson (awesome reference by you) was the last president to pay off the National Debt. (Not balance the budget, pay off the debt)

If corporate America, the Federal Reserve, and Wall street were gone, there would be chaos without question. Not only would the "elite bankers" as you say not own the currency, nobody would own any currency that could buy anything. Actually, the bankers would probably still be better off financially, since they would have gold, which is probably what we would resort to for "money" until what ever new system got put in place. Farmers would have a leg up in surviving, with access to land, seeds, livestock, tools, ability to live / work outdoors, but it won't turn farmers in to the rich ones all of the sudden, just ones able to get by. If all of those components of our economy were gone, and not replaced with (or evolved into) something better, you would not recognize the world around you and would not know how to live in it.

[dabeegguy]

Originally Posted by skidooer

Without the investment behind those companies, machinery would become nearly one-off items. Have you tried building a tractor or combine from scratch? I assure you that it will take more than a couple hundred thousand to do it.

I have read here that it takes around 13 years to design, test, and build a new combine. That is billions of dollars in investment to make it happen. Without something like Wall Street, where does that money come from? Nobody has that much just sitting in the bank.

Corruption is one thing, but these features of the economy came to be out of need. You cannot just remove them, you have to replace them with something far better if you want change.

Well - - a large part of the investment by most companies is to find ways to make a cheaper product that they can sell for more money!

It may take 13 years to develop a new combine but how much of that is actual design for use time? How much of that is time spent making sure things die at a predetermined time? How much of that time is invested in what I call "golly gee whiz" functions (look impressive and don't do much except drive up the costs)? How much of that cost is driven by some real crazy middle and upper management salaries? How much of that cost is caused by items designed to fail (creates work for techs/shops/parts suppliers)? When you can answer those questions you are much closer to determining the actual cost of your item!

You might be surprised how cheap it would be to replicate your combine!!

You would also be pleased to know that the system is presently getting you to accept a poorer system without your acquiescence and you are actually starting to like it. If you are interested in some serious reading about some of these topics you are raising - - I've got a few books for you to ponder through (none easy reading and what you might find is quite interesting!)

[albertabuck]

Originally Posted by DoubleChinRooster

obviously the stock market would crash but who cares. only fools whom have money invested in their will take a hit

Thanks for really letting us all know just what your grievance really is. Here's a quote that I can't help but think that Alf Bryan had you personally in mind when he first wrote it back in '67.

"Among lower income farms you will find little but lethargy, puzzlement, stupidity, greed, backwardness, apathy, indolence and envy."

From the continuous drivel you keep spewing on here about poor poor pitiful DCR and how hard done by you are, I don't think there any better words to describe what an asswipe to society and the agricultural industry that you really are.

[ih4life]

DCR you sound like a Ron Paul Supporter? I hope so, he is worth voting for, He would be great for this country and Agriculture.

[farmboy95]

If we have to double food production by a certain year and technology plays a big role in higher yields then why do you want to go back to a bunch of small inefficient farmers that can't afford the technology to get the most out of every acre?
-just my two cents

[DoubleChinRooster]

Originally Posted by ih4life

DCR you sound like a Ron Paul Supporter? I hope so, he is worth voting for, He would be great for this country and Agriculture.

Yup ron paul is our guy. I don't even really talk to people who don't have a ron paul sign in their yard lol...I am glad u see the light also. It's difficult battling the masses though

Originally Posted by farmboy95

If we have to double food production by a certain year and technology plays a big role in higher yields then why do you want to go back to a bunch of small inefficient farmers that can't afford the technology to get the most out of every acre?
-just my two cents

Since when am I talking about going backwards? Higher yields are from genetics not technology. My drunk neighbor broadcasts his crops every year and does just as good as anybody. We only need to double food production if the population continues to grow. A major war or disease could wipe a bunch of people out

Originally Posted by skidooer

It was me who made that comment. It is simple: If corporate America went away, there would be no John Deere, CHN, or Agco to build the machinery for you.

Without the investment behind those companies, machinery would become nearly one-off items. Have you tried building a tractor or combine from scratch? I assure you that it will take more than a couple hundred thousand to do it.

And since new equipment becomes incredibly expensive, the used machinery will look more appealing to farmers, driving the price of it through the roof. Basic laws of supply and demand.

I have read here that it takes around 13 years to design, test, and build a new combine. That is billions of dollars in investment to make it happen. Without something like Wall Street, where does that money come from? Nobody has that much just sitting in the bank.

Corruption is one thing, but these features of the economy came to be out of need. You cannot just remove them, you have to replace them with something far better if you want change.

I don't think anybody needs to be a fortune 500 company in order to start a factory. There are people out there with a lot of money whom could start producing tractors, etc. There were companies producing buggies, one bottom plows, etc, prior to 1913

[lcarduner]

Originally Posted by garyfunk

I didn't know rural America was in ruins.

Hellooooo? Have you not noticed that the drive up A & W is gone? Also, no more sneakin' in under the fence at the Drive In. Oh, and Johnny Cash is just a memory

Wait. This is 2012. Pass the IPOD/GPS/VRT!!!

BTW...I agree...I think the rural life is still alive and kickin`!!

[lcarduner]

[quote=wheatworld;279268]it's not. Rural america is doing very good and in many cases better than ever. Fossil fuel based energy along with the industries that support ag and energy are also doing very well in america.

Threads like this usually sprout up because of jealousy. In farming rural america, it's best to deal with our own conditions, good or bad, and make the best of them.[/quote
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[DoubleChinRooster]

Originally Posted by tbone95

Thanks skidooer, it wasn't me, though I agree with you.

And this isn't 1836. The world is quite a different place, and for one major thing, Andrew Jackson (awesome reference by you) was the last president to pay off the National Debt. (Not balance the budget, pay off the debt)

If corporate America, the Federal Reserve, and Wall street were gone, there would be chaos without question. Not only would the "elite bankers" as you say not own the currency, nobody would own any currency that could buy anything. Actually, the bankers would probably still be better off financially, since they would have gold, which is probably what we would resort to for "money" until what ever new system got put in place. Farmers would have a leg up in surviving, with access to land, seeds, livestock, tools, ability to live / work outdoors, but it won't turn farmers in to the rich ones all of the sudden, just ones able to get by. If all of those components of our economy were gone, and not replaced with (or evolved into) something better, you would not recognize the world around you and would not know how to live in it.

Society would not be lost my friend. The treasury would simply assume full control of our nations currency. The federal reserve is a private corporation. The treasury is government(which is supposed to be run by elected officials). The monopoly on our monetary system would be over, thus freeing the average joe from 100 years of financial slavery