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Macdon rock guard vs seed saver

I have a 974 macdon and it scoops rocks terribly. Was looking to get either the rock guard or seed saver kit. Is one better than the other? I know if I didn't do beans I would just do the rock guard but I'm afraid the right angle rock guard will lose a few more beans. Thanks.

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Before I bought either I would go down to the local lumberyard and buy some 1" or 1-1/2" PVC pipe and some NEMA metal single hole pipe clamps and clamp it on right behind the cutterbar guard bolts. I never tried this on a draper, but I've run a flex auger head like that for years and would not run anything else. The rounded pipe does not catch the plants, and yet it makes a great rock guard. And its $ enough that if you don't like it, just take it off. Just make sure there is enough room behind the guard bolts for the pipe to fit.


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Have you looked in a roller? Went to one 5 yrs ago and won’t plant beans without!
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Have you looked in a roller? Went to one 5 yrs ago and wonít plant beans without!
I have to agree about a roller. We roll all our beans and take in very few rocks. We had to cut a bunch of wheat in flex mode after all the snow pushed it down flat. Probably picked 100x more stones on 300a than the last 5yrs put together.
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I have a 974 macdon and it scoops rocks terribly. Was looking to get either the rock guard or seed saver kit. Is one better than the other? I know if I didn't do beans I would just do the rock guard but I'm afraid the right angle rock guard will lose a few more beans. Thanks.
You’re talking about two unrelated things here so lm puzzled by your question.
I don’t care for the MacDon rock guard, I agree it would likely cause a bit of seed loss and in a light crop feds poorly over it.
The pipe idea sounds interesting.

Seed saver is to stop loss under side drapers over feed draper, that I would install.

The roller and picking idea also gets my vote.
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The seed saver will increase the rock ingestion and the rock guard will prevent it. Without the seed saver the rocks will stay better in the adapter where you can throw them out if you stop to clean it out. The seed saver kit is for keeping small seeds like canola from leaking out. The rock guard will keep out a siginificant amount of rocks when cutting on the ground. I have run with and without the rock guard and the rock guard helps keep out a lot of rocks out of the machine on our 40ft fd70 headers. When we drain our rock trap we have way less rocks in it with the rock guard.
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Without the seed saver the rocks will stay better in the adapter where you can throw them out if you stop to clean it out.
The dam behind the knife and in front of the feed draper is different?
Iíve never not had the kit so donít know the difference.
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I haven't noticed any difference with rocks sitting in the center area behind the knife with or without the seed saver kit. I suppose it's possible the rubber flaps at the front sides of the center draper might act as a bit of a ramp for rocks to hit the second draper.
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It isn't big but the rocks like to sit where the side drapers drop the material into the center. With the seed saver everything is encouraged more to keep flowing into the combine. I use to think the rock dam was a joke before I bought a header with one on and now I do not think I would be without it.
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