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Vario header in peas?

Sold my flex header earlier this year, was going to update or at least try the new Convio header, but there is none to be had apparently. No soybeans this year but I did put in some peas, I am wondering if just using the Vario with lifters will be adequate to get through this year?

The peas were near 5' tall and in the past I have struggle with dividing peas more than anything when they are that tangled. For that purpose the side-cutters on the Vario might actually work really good. All the pods were basically above knee height so if the crop is not flat on the ground it should go in the header. Just don't know how the lifters and side-cutters will work. Ground is pretty dry and hard at the moment.

Basically options are:
>Find a dealer with a Convio.
>Buy a Maxflex or some other flex to get through(already tried that at auction sale, ran into a determined buyer)
>Borrow/rent buddy's FD140
>Use the Vario I already have. This is plan A but might proceed to one of other options if it doesn't work. If it is clearly a bad move then I will save my time.



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Kinda wonder if the 8800/8900 may overpower headers regardless of color, hmm..

Hopefully it won’t go too low and just use your Vario.

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The vario is no ground shaver. At least with a heavy crop you can go slower and feel like your doing something because it’s still a bit slow to react I found following the ground.
The reel isn’t nearly as nice either as the long finger Macdons.

Worth a shot and if it’s a no go swallow the pride and rent buddy’s Macdon?
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Sold my flex header earlier this year, was going to update or at least try the new Convio header, but there is none to be had apparently. No soybeans this year but I did put in some peas, I am wondering if just using the Vario with lifters will be adequate to get through this year?

The peas were near 5' tall and in the past I have struggle with dividing peas more than anything when they are that tangled. For that purpose the side-cutters on the Vario might actually work really good. All the pods were basically above knee height so if the crop is not flat on the ground it should go in the header. Just don't know how the lifters and side-cutters will work. Ground is pretty dry and hard at the moment.

Basically options are:
>Find a dealer with a Convio.
>Buy a Maxflex or some other flex to get through(already tried that at auction sale, ran into a determined buyer)
>Borrow/rent buddy's FD140
>Use the Vario I already have. This is plan A but might proceed to one of other options if it doesn't work. If it is clearly a bad move then I will save my time.
Basically in the same situation as you as for fallen peas. We have a maxflex on our 590r and will be trying to use the Vario on our 760 this year. The maxflex works excellent in downed peas the vario not so much. we didn't use the lifters last year on the vario and gave up rather quickly as we were helping out a neighbour with his peas. Just pushes too much dirt.
This year we have our own and nearly 500 acres and most went down with the heavy rains we have been receiving and lots of disease pressure too.
We will be using the Flexifloat 250 with the 20233 Small Seed Shoe
https://flexxifinger.com/Farm-Machin...roductsID=5822

This lifter will give you some flex to help pick up downed peas. Gives you about 4 inches of flex travel. Used this in our spring thrashed canola this spring and it worked surprisingly well for how flat standing canola was on the ground. You do have to travel slow Around 3-3.5MPH to allow the AHC to work fast enough. As long as you take your time I think you can get by doing this.

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So the Maxflex works well, that's good to know.

I'm curious what the optimal spacing is for lifters too, not sure how many are hanging on the back of the Vario.

Never used a Macdon in peas, not sure how the curved rod divider would work. My concern is that it would push peas down to the ground and cause losses, I know it shells substantially more canola than the knife on the Vario.

Comment on another thread about a Maxflex being far superior to a FD in peas got me thinking about what is going to be most efficient, combine hours aren't cheap and I have 570 acres to do with a bunch of wheat waiting after. Hasn't rained in over three weeks here, doubt we will be pushing dirt but conditions can change fast...

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So the Maxflex works well, that's good to know.

I'm curious what the optimal spacing is for lifters too, not sure how many are hanging on the back of the Vario.

Never used a Macdon in peas, not sure how the curved rod divider would work. My concern is that it would push peas down to the ground and cause losses, I know it shells substantially more canola than the knife on the Vario.

Comment on another thread about a Maxflex being far superior to a FD in peas got me thinking about what is going to be most efficient, combine hours aren't cheap and I have 570 acres to do with a bunch of wheat waiting after. Hasn't rained in over three weeks here, doubt we will be pushing dirt but conditions can change fast...
My Vario had a set of the Claas orange spring steel lifters in the rack on the back side. I don't remember a count but there were at least enough to start about a foot from each end of the knife and continue about a foot apart all a cross. Every fourth guard I think. I ran them in lodged canola and it helped a lot to get under the mat and just lift it enough to cut under all the pods. Those dividers work awesome on the Vario as you know. I would say I was cutting down to about 4" on the sensor bands and the lifters then went the rest of the way to the ground. I would say 3-4 1/2 mph is a comfortable speed on the sensor bands. Except for the curve up at the tips which is the limit of how low you can get with those. I have had to run Dutch half moon lifters 3/4" in the ground to get under the entire mat or it would plug the knife trying to divide the mat everywhere it did not all come up. Not ideal and all I can say is I hope you get your peas off before that!
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Pay special attention to setting the AHHC. On advantage the Lexion has is running AHHC on flex pressure. I would think that careful setting and adjustment of AHHC in the, say, 35-45 range may allow you to "slide" the head on the ground and still have it follow terrain, at least a little.
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Looks like the ground is a bit undulating in your photo, Iíd consider getting a set of flexifinger lifters, I have a set of the fixed position plastic ones they work really well, but Iím in really flat country, they suggest setting them at 12inch intervals, we placed them either side of the row whilst harvesting row crops but I have enough to do every 12 inches
https://flexxifinger.com/Product-Det...roductsID=58209
I used them on a set of trays while harvesting downed corn this year, they were still on there at the end of the 700 acres. Happy days
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Pay special attention to setting the AHHC. On advantage the Lexion has is running AHHC on flex pressure. I would think that careful setting and adjustment of AHHC in the, say, 35-45 range may allow you to "slide" the head on the ground and still have it follow terrain, at least a little.
If the ground is completely level 35 will work but if your terrain has lots of contours and hills like ours is 45-50 worked the best and setting up the sensitivity higher also aided the vario to work better with the lifters.

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It seems reasonable that Bish could supply an adapter to physically fit a HydraFlex Draper onto a Class Lexion combine. I wonder if the other hydraulic and electrical challenges have been sorted out. The combine would be still be best with a lateral tilt if the terrain was twisty.

https://bishenterprise.com/header-adapters/

Itís a shame to have all of that grain saving capacity and work rate and having to give anything away at the header.

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