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Which tractor is best on the cart?

Just looking for some opinion on which tractor to use this harvest. My concerns are: 1. Seeing into the truck 2. Stopping, stability when fully loaded (and it will be) 3. HP. Need some speed an ability to unload quickly. Keeping 3 combines going in durum, peas, canola. Land is mostly flat.

John Deere 9510R
GPS
PTO
800's

John Deere 8345R (IVT)
GPS
PTO
Duals all around

Cart is 1300 bushel JM

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Not familiar with those particular tractors, but generally a 4WD will do all those things you asked about best. You need the weight and forward weight distribution for stability. You need the extra horsepower for speed and you need the cab height for visibility to see into a truck. One thing you need to consider is the width of the tractor with Dual wheels, as clearance between tractor and header may be an issue. IMO, the ideal cart tractor is a 4WD on large singles.


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Nope , one on tracks
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I would use the 4wd. Have you thought about how much that cart weighs when it has close to 1300bu on it in relation to the tractor weight....
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The clearance between tractor and header is good. It's tight but it does work. A careful operator has no issue with this as we have an extension on our one shorter auger. Tracks would be nice though.

What concerns me most is a full cart when it starts bouncing....lots of ruts that aren't easy to see after last year....I think it will push a 83XXR around like a toy?

Our cart guy is good at speed matching so IVT isn't a huge advantage. Also not very often all 3 are going the exact same speed every time.
The way we cut he has to hustle sometimes to keep us all going.

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I think a 1300bu would push a fwa tractor around like a toy. Our 1150bu empty pushes our 8130 around.

However, i use a 9410r with powershift and to me its the biggest pain in the ass unloading on a flat bottom trailer. Trying to crown it up with the thing lurching in and out of gear, or the alternative of riding the clutch off and on until it ultimately locks you into park while you overflow...its not fun. If youre dumping into hopper bottoms though its not nearly as much of an issue. But for me IVT would be a dream, but im less bushels than you and still think id max out a wheeled 8345-8360.
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I help a guy during harvest, and I hate running his ILS Deere on cart lots of bucking, poor visability. The a/c and the powershift are nice, but the 4880 Massey he has does better.

The ILS deeres dont run any bigger than a 800 bushel cart. He runs a 1000 bushel cart behind the big MF. and yes, 903 Cummins can handle 2800-2900 RPM...so far.

So for this discussion, I would run the 9510R. the only thing I dont like is the massive tires as far as clearance to the header.
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does your chaser bin have brakes I run 3 cameras auger inside bin reverse , would love to try quad trac as they weigh around 30 t
I find 2 carts work better for 3 headers no belting the gear around imo
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No brakes on the cart. Thought about camera but was thinking that the lense would often get covered over with dust?
We run this up the back roads sometimes with 3-600 bushel in it to save a truck from coming back. We do take it slow though.
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I would prefer the IVT as long as the driver looked after it. However the size of the cart probably means the larger tractor would be safer. Dual wheels can be tight although with auto steer should be ok.

I'm with newfarmac......2 smaller carts would work better especially if they have to travel far to unload. Just means more gear, operators etc.

A camera on the unloading auger will help with visibility into the trucks.

So if I was you I'd be using the bigger tractor with that cart, mainly because of the safety issues.

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