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they are saying no computer but a tier three would still need one to run would it not ?

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16x8 is a very successful smooth design, as Christian confirmed. And he put plenty of hours on his Kirovets.
The range selection design is quite good, so for most work (like grain cart transportation) there is not much shifting required.
Do you have a transmission gear range sheet? I would like to know, how slow the first gear would be?
On the one website, they talking, that the K9520 is only available with a 12/2 transmission.


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with these Kirovets being so reasonable outside of Russia, what is the waiting period to get one??
Can the factory keep up with demand??
How extensive is the Kirovets dealer network outside of Russia?
We expect to have first units on the ground in spring 2016.

In the past, Kirovets were sold in almost all countries where Belarus tractors were sold, through the same network (over 100 countries worldwide).
Now days, if I had to guess, the plant sells to about 20-30 countries.

Main thing to understand:
Kirovets owns 60-80% market share in Russia (world's largest country).
So with a secure and protected humongous home base market, the factory has a very stable economic foundation.
Unlike many USA/ West European makers, Russian Kirovets is not critically dependent on huge exports to be economically viable.
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they are saying no computer but a tier three would still need one to run would it not ?
The engine itself has a computer, sure (made by Mercedes). But that is more or less self-contained. Perhaps what they mean by no computer is no computer in the cab, no canbus, no computer between your controls and the hydraulics. The pictures show electric over hydraulic controls, which don't require everything to be computerized. Doesn't look that bad to me.

However, the CVT they are talking about definitely requires computer control, electric throttle and speed controls in the cab, and a canbus link to the engine ECU. A slippery slope!

GPS auto steering could still be easily added to any of these machines. Would require a new steering valve block is all.

Given how expensive tractors are becoming, this machine is strangely compelling if the price can indeed be kept around the $200k price that was mentioned. the only thing that I really don't like that I see is the inability to see the drawbar from the cab (supposing no PTO and no 3-point hitch).

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Is there any English literature at all? Any brochures?
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Do you have a transmission gear range sheet? I would like to know, how slow the first gear would be?
On the one website, they talking, that the K9520 is only available with a 12/2 transmission.

For now the plans are to bring only the most popular and proven 16x8 transmission. slowest 1st gear is 2.3 mph (3.7 km/hr)
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GPS auto steering could still be easily added to any of these machines. Would require a new steering valve block is all.

Given how expensive tractors are becoming, this machine is strangely compelling if the price can indeed be kept around the $200k price that was mentioned. the only thing that I really don't like that I see is the inability to see the drawbar from the cab (supposing no PTO and no 3-point hitch).
1) GPS. Current models are GLONASS ready (Russian equivalent of GPS). Good chance that GPS will work as well, or with minor modifications.

2) 3pt hotch+ PTO and duals are the main options that will be available initially, as add ons to the basic package.
Initial demonstrators will be coming with the 3pt hitch, PTO and the duals
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Is there any English literature at all? Any brochures?
Proper English pamphlets and manuals are in preparation process.
See attached some older, fairly minimalistic English pamphlets.
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The pictures I've seen (and the videos) show no drawbar. I guess over there they use the two point for everything. Will the machines you bring over have a normal drawbar?
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arie515 - can you share with us how many you have plans to import and where will they be available??

and what are your plans for tech training?




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