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Having all our field data collected into one platform is a neat idea but???

1. Heard of lots of issues with compatibility problems with different brands of equipment and monitors.
2. How accurate is the data. Has the equipment been calibrated?
3. Who's data is it??? Who else gets to see/use/buy our data??
4. If information is worth money why are we paying to collect our data. I'm thinking the big $$$$ are not in the fees farmers pay for this service but on the other end where some corp is paying big $$$ to use our data.
5. Data companies are now getting aligned with equip makers ( Farmers Edge + Case IH ).
These companies will know more about our farms than we do.
6. With new equipment getting so integrated will we not only have to buy the equipment but now have to pay an annual fee to use it. Computer software companies went this way years ago. Gauranteed revenue stream for them. Sounds like highway robbery!!
7. The trend seems to be everything is going to cloud based tech storage. Yeh its great I can access it from laptop/ipad/cell phone from anywhere in the world but is it secure!!! If it's not safe from hackers on my own laptop how on earth can it be secure in the cloud??
8. Had a fellow from FCC software call me to do a survey about their Field Manager program. Wanted to know what I thought of some of the updates they were planning on. A cloud based system was one of them which is great for accesability via numerous ipads/tablets/phones etc. I asked him about data security. He said its secure. My response was if the fed Govt computer system can be breached what makes this better than theirs. He couldn't answer that. He also mentioned that they had a cloud based version of AgExpert they were working on. My response was that was of no interest to me. I'm not interested in having all my finacial records floating around the world in some cloud for every hacker to see. Who else can see my data in this type of program??? He told me it was secure and only I have access to it. I asked him who he worked for. His reply was FCC software. I asked him who owns FCC. He didn't respond. I told him the Fed Govt owns FCC so that makes him an employee of the Feds. So I asked him if CRA wants to see my financial records do they have to ask me for my books or can they just get it off the cloud since they are the owners and developers of the accounting system and cloud storage system. His response was he never thought of that!! My response was NO THANKS. I'll keep my data at home.
9. I get it. With new tech, social media etc,etc we are giving up some of our individual privacy. Its one thing if its by choice but where some of this is heading we may inadvertantly and unknowingly give up control of our data/ information. When our data is in someone elses hands the reality is it will be used by some corp/govt/banks for their financial/business advantage and not ours. And to think we paid someone to give them our data!!! WE ARE ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!
10. Didn't mean to get somewhat off topic. End of long winded rant.

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What does this cost per acre?
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Not off topic bmich, I. brought this thread back for open discussion about these companies. And you bring up all valid points. And my initial concern when contemplating going this direction was that info security.
The option I was considering had the iso bus readers, but theres no way i was gonna plug those in!
FE could build off of what you tell them your yield was for a particular field and make fert recommendations from that.
For 3.50/acre
- satellite imagery scouting and crop health maps (7 meter resolution)
-fert planning
-soil testing (16 holes per quarter)
-flat prescription maps
-weather station
There are a few more things included with the 3.50 but these are the items I was most interested in.

Now if there was some way an individual's data could be earmarked somehow... and then searched online, if it showed up anywhere it shouldn't be, sue the company that guaranteed your data couldn't go anywhere.
I would pay for that level of security!

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Anyone notice how any of the company’s back pedal when you ask for a guarantee or data proving their service will make you money?

It’s like you just asked them to prove god exists.
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I like how self absorbed people are thinking "hackers" give two $hits about their financial records or their yield or fertilizer data...

Hackers get a way better name for themselves getting into celebrities pictures and their home made porno videos.
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Not off topic bmich, I. brought this thread back for open discussion about these companies. And you bring up all valid points. And my initial concern when contemplating going this direction was that info security.
The option I was considering had the iso bus readers, but theres no way i was gonna plug those in!
FE could build off of what you tell them your yield was for a particular field and make fert recommendations from that.
For 3.50/acre
- satellite imagery scouting and crop health maps (7 meter resolution)
-fert planning
-soil testing (16 holes per quarter)
-flat prescription maps
-weather station
There are a few more things included with the 3.50 but these are the items I was most interested in.

Now if there was some way an individual's data could be earmarked somehow... and then searched online, if it showed up anywhere it shouldn't be, sue the company that guaranteed your data couldn't go anywhere.
I would pay for that level of security!
Figure out what the soil tests cost and tell me how much they are making off you after that is paid for. You have to let them harvest the data, that's how they make their money. And it won't be some C+P on the internet, it will be processed data sold to various companies that deal with you.

The FCC thing is a good example, gov't keeping your books....what could be wrong with that? Same with JD having the finance arm and knowing all your production. Just to keep it fair Claas is harvesting data through their telematics nonsense.

These companies aren't "hacking" if that's what is being suggested here, they are simply being dishonest about what they are trying to do. And as joesixpack notes there is no guarantee of what they are claiming. Most people don't check up on them and aren't qualified to do those jobs so they get away with it.
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It's not the hacking I'm worried about with my data... it's that grain buyers collect everyone's data and begin to get a really good idea about how much is out there to sell and adjust prices accordingly.... same with fert prices.. supply and demand, of course they dont want to produce too much and have to give it away end of season...
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I haven't got a call from Stats Canada for a while, maybe they are just calling FE now...
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All our suppliers have our margins figured out pretty well, think they have for quit some time.
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It's not the hacking I'm worried about with my data... it's that grain buyers collect everyone's data and begin to get a really good idea about how much is out there to sell and adjust prices accordingly.... same with fert prices.. supply and demand, of course they dont want to produce too much and have to give it away end of season...

Nothing to worry about, its all good. After all the value the farmer gets from these systems is so much more then the little bit of farming data companies are getting.

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