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Cropping after mustard

Any ideas?
I'd really like to do corn, suspecting a yield drag like corn after canola.
I've got some grass issues on this land, nothing serious anymore and I successfully raised wheat on it last year with no issues but I want to keep on the grasses for a few more years.
Is corn a bad idea? Something else that I may want to consider for good grass control?
Maybe just plant peas in it? Might get a little over the top with mustard?

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Will have some of that of my own. Corn never has been/likely will not be option here. As long as mkt works plan on having my own pea seed for next yr which helps a bit with cost and will be going with that on good chunk of acres. I like peas after canola - thinking same for mustard, but never tried. Heat(group 14 stuf that maybe called diff down there) and that nasty roundup would great for getting canola(may even be better for mustard) et al and if you can apply it right at groundbreak around here you usually get enough of it that do not need expensive broadleaf later - could use something cheap like Assure for grassy. Actually having bit of canola/mustard for peas to climb up not a bad thing here and Heat works good on it for preharvest - roundup would be cheaper if you did not want seed.

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peas are definitely an option.... works pretty well with a heavy rate of Heat in burnoff to hold back mustard for while. I always find on that rotation that the Canada thistle gets pretty wild in the peas after an oilseed, definitely will want to do a fall burnoff this year.


spring cereals are fine too as long as you add a little extra fert to keep the proteins up.


as to corn i would not know. not sure if you used any granulars like edge or trifluralin in the mustard. the label doesn't say much about recropping corn.
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Which grassy weeds are you concerned about, wild oats/quackgrass/brome?

Here I have some group 1 and 2 resistant wild oats and corn is a very good tool to have because after three apps of gly there won't be any wild oats making seed in the corn year. Liberty canola is next best option when Centurion mixed in, the Amigo seems to make the Liberty work really well on grassy's. Thinking maybe Edge ahead of the peas going forward and in wheat Avadex is probably gonna be standard equipment. Soybeans are great for keeping field clean with Authority and three passes of gly, but need the late rain.

As far as yield drag on corn after canola I don't think it would be devastating by any means, we harvested some really nice corn last year grown on canola stubble. What really showed up this year is need a black field with residue spread evenly. I harrowed a quarter of canola stubble this spring ahead of my corn and the wind blew the straw into ditches and hillsides where it looks terrible now, should have protilled it instead. Ideally I would like to have a granular kit on the planter and try this stuff with the corn on canola stubble: https://www.ptagtiv.com/en/products/...rops-granular/
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Which grassy weeds are you concerned about, wild oats/quackgrass/brome?
Barnyard grass, foxtail grass, cheat grass.

Sure there is a couple wild oats hiding out there but they have not shown thier face to me yet. Only been farming this dirt since 14, had wheat on wheat since the beginning of time before I got it and the ways of controlling barnyard grass seem to be getting harder all the time.
Rimfire max is the only thing that has worked for me and after a few years of being on limited production it's on the chopping block but it sucks on pigeon grass so now I'm getting that in the fields as a trade off.
Kinda like growing a little wheat for broadleaf control, especially Canada thistle.
I did find some herbicide called thistrol that works on peas that's doing really well, went after a patch in the mustard with it for curiosity and it didn't do much damage so it's a viable option for peas and mustard together.
I also dont have resistant wild oats yet but my neighbors do and its getting out of hand fast. Curious to see if they raise wheat again next year. Bet they do.......

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Been doing peas following mustard for years. This year is the only year I remember the mustard showing itself in the peas. I sprayed Viper just before our first rain of the season, the rain that got all the volunteer mustard going and it still isn't that bad. No worse than the number of thistles sticking above the canopy. More mustard may become visible over the next few weeks though. Preharvest glyphosate on peas when 90% turned gets me good control of grasses and still use the peas for seed next year. That idea of not using peas sprayed with glyphosate for seed is a false blanket statement. A mature and drying pea plant won't absorb glyphosate into the seed. Glyphosate isn't the preferred method to speed up harvest, so you would be using it for next years weed control and as such you shouldn't be rushing out to spray your peas when overly green.
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Been doing peas following mustard for years. This year is the only year I remember the mustard showing itself in the peas. I sprayed Viper just before our first rain of the season, the rain that got all the volunteer mustard going and it still isn't that bad. No worse than the number of thistles sticking above the canopy. More mustard may become visible over the next few weeks though. Preharvest glyphosate on peas when 90% turned gets me good control of grasses and still use the peas for seed next year. That idea of not using peas sprayed with glyphosate for seed is a false blanket statement. A mature and drying pea plant won't absorb glyphosate into the seed. Glyphosate isn't the preferred method to speed up harvest, so you would be using it for next years weed control and as such you shouldn't be rushing out to spray your peas when overly green.
For me the use of roundup on green peas for seed is issue as like to harvest them when can just get seed through combine without squishing them due to bleach. Do find that Heat does give quicker dry down as well.
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peas are definitely an option.... works pretty well with a heavy rate of Heat in burnoff to hold back mustard for while. I always find on that rotation that the Canada thistle gets pretty wild in the peas after an oilseed, definitely will want to do a fall burnoff this year.


spring cereals are fine too as long as you add a little extra fert to keep the proteins up.


as to corn i would not know. not sure if you used any granulars like edge or trifluralin in the mustard. the label doesn't say much about recropping corn.
I wonder if the mustard would even germinate by the time the peas would be seeded, peas get slammed in pretty early.
I am liking this pea thing more and more.
Could make some choices as it comes with herbicide options.
I've done a little experimenting with thistrol this year on Canada thistle (labeled for peas) and it's working quite well. I was curious if it would kill mustard so I sprayed a small patch of canadians in it and it dinged it but definitely didn't do much harm.
Could use raptor if it is not out out of hand but thick enough for concern or go to Basagran if it gets crazy and I want to bail out.

Seeing how well mustard controls grass on it's own (its actually pretty crazy) I have some fear it would have a lasting effect that might bother the corn.
Kinda like planting wheat or corn after sunflowers, they just can't hack what ever it is that sunflowers leave behind.
Most people think it's the water consumption witch has some play in it but sunflowers definitely have a mechanism to them that suppresses grasses.

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Been doing peas following mustard for years. This year is the only year I remember the mustard showing itself in the peas. I sprayed Viper just before our first rain of the season, the rain that got all the volunteer mustard going and it still isn't that bad. No worse than the number of thistles sticking above the canopy. More mustard may become visible over the next few weeks though. Preharvest glyphosate on peas when 90% turned gets me good control of grasses and still use the peas for seed next year. That idea of not using peas sprayed with glyphosate for seed is a false blanket statement. A mature and drying pea plant won't absorb glyphosate into the seed. Glyphosate isn't the preferred method to speed up harvest, so you would be using it for next years weed control and as such you shouldn't be rushing out to spray your peas when overly green.
I'll have to research viper, here we use spartan on peas but it wont touch mustard or canola. It was funny this spring a seed rep was telling me there is someone working on a spartan tolerant canola..... I just about fell out of my chair laughing at him. All they need to do is change the label.
For preharvest I use gromoxone + valor. The valor slows down the gromoxone alot. The kill is incredible with a rather wide range of crops you can plant following. The valor has a pretty good residual. Been using it on chickpeas and been very happy. Hopefully they expand the preharvest label, would be really nice on canola.

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Have only swathed or used glyphosate on peas for dry down. Always been yellow peas but understand how greens would be different. Don't grow RR anything so peas are the crop to go after grasses and thistles. I could use a desicant on peas and then do post harvest glyphosate I suppose but then top growth is cut off thistles and so that is a problem.

Many ways to do things and reasons why I suppose. All I can say is that in 15-20 years of peas after mustard this is the first year I have any mustard showing. Used to use Odyssey and that kept the mustard in check too. It's simply an odd year this year on this farm to start any discussion on weed control and what does/doesn't work. My mindset is to toss aside anything observed this year as it likely won't be applicable for the next 10+ years.

Have lots of volunteer flax in my barley too. More concerned how that plays out. The mustard in peas is of not much concern.

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