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Bayer and Monsanto Announce $66 Billion Merger - The Atlantic

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You guys line up to throw all the money you can at these companies so you can grow more and make less. Now when that they've merged they can charge you even more to use their products. You did it to yourselves. You should have been supporting other seed developers but it was just so easy to pay these guys. The more you paid them the more money they had to destroy completion. Now that the competition is gone they can rape you even harder, lol.

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Wow! I for one find tremendous value in biotech. Seed with the ability to spray glyphosate or glufosinate on AND is treated. Ever buy pea or lentil or faba seed?

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I think part of the attraction to this deal for Monsanto is to ditch a very unpopular name. They will disappear into a division of Bayer and the anti GMO crowd loses a major target... for now. As a Canadian, I think we have been 60 years too late in learning the lesson of food sovereignty from the 2nd World War. We sat back and did nothing while American corporations gobbled up our food industry, but now we face the reality that some day we'll be owned by the Arabs and Chinese... bought up by our own money that has gone there one liter, and one cheap plastic tool at a time. Machinery, fertilizer, seed, fuel, processing, shipping, sales... the profits of our work are all leaving the country because we didn't look after our own ownership. How many of us would sell our farms to rent it back and expect to make more money?
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Yes, i dont want to sound like a socialist but bigger corps does hurt the little guy it seems. Look at ag dealer consolidations.
There is nothing wrong with big or consolidation, mergers or what not but step back a second and tell me who's left and how will they handle the dominance?

Nobody knows exactly what syngenta is at the moment
There is Dow and Dupont merged I believe

What's left, 3 big machines now? At what point does it stop, obviously they will not be seeing new competition

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The irony of it is the community wants tighter regs on all this new technology because they are afraid of these big bad companies, all it does is kill off the new juniors trying to make a way in the world of bio tech.
Quite sad really and almost creating the opposite of what they wanted, very similar to farming in general I guess....
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I heard a radio announcer this morning stating that the merger was to streamline the company and make the company more profitable having to cut costs due to falling grain prices. Hmmm? So apparently a company that could buy another company for one of, if not, the largest deals ever does so because times are tough. I have had poor crops 2 years in a row and I am not buying the Twp. Business is all about the shareholder these days and nothing more. Nobody is lowering prices that I seen in the seed or chemical industry. Who owns Dekalb? Somebody is going to gain my business which isn't directly related to this merger.
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Wow! I for one find tremendous value in biotech. Seed with the ability to spray glyphosate or glufosinate on AND is treated. Ever buy pea or lentil or faba seed?
Good for you. I hope you can continue to buy all those things.

Yes I've bought faba beans this spring and both the others in the past.
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If anyone thinks this is about good people sitting down and realizing that a combined company would make a better world for everyone, you are mistaken. If it happened to make a better world for everyone that would merely be an accidental side effect.

No one hires a CEO to come on board to do more of the same.

If a CEO isn't making big ReOrg's, shifts or changes then they aren't doing anything right. No one could ever really tell if all the changes made the company turn out better than what it would have been if they stayed the old course.

With that in mind, you get these kind of mergers. One CEO will get a $40 million dollar paycheck for doing the deal and exiting while the other CEO will now be in charge of a much larger company and get way more than $40 million in new stock and bonus. Now that we have that on the table, does anyone still wonder why these mergers happen?

At some point when a huge merger isn't possible, the CEO will be "Spinning off" the Bayer collection of stuff making a second large and "more focused" entity and get a $40 million bonus and stock in the spin off for his "leadership".

Consultants for IT are brought on board for either direction. They either need to merge the differing IT systems or separate them, depending on if it's a merger or spin off.

In the end, CEO's getting huge wads of cash is what it all comes to. To **** with the impacts beyond that paycheck hitting the bank, including layoffs in-house and higher prices for farmers for products that previously had competition.
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If anyone thinks this is about good people sitting down and realizing that a combined company would make a better world for everyone, you are mistaken. If it happened to make a better world for everyone that would merely be an accidental side effect.

No one hires a CEO to come on board to do more of the same.

If a CEO isn't making big ReOrg's, shifts or changes then they aren't doing anything right. No one could ever really tell if all the changes made the company turn out better than what it would have been if they stayed the old course.

With that in mind, you get these kind of mergers. One CEO will get a $40 million dollar paycheck for doing the deal and exiting while the other CEO will now be in charge of a much larger company and get way more than $40 million in new stock and bonus. Now that we have that on the table, does anyone still wonder why these mergers
At some point when a huge merger isn't possible, the CEO will be "Spinning off" the Bayer collection of stuff making a second large and "more focused" entity and get a $40 million bonus and stock in the spin off for his "leadership".

Consultants for IT are brought on board for either direction. They either need to merge the differing IT systems or separate them, depending on if it's a merger or spin off.

In the end, CEO's getting huge wads of cash is what it all comes to. To **** with the impacts beyond that paycheck hitting the bank, including layoffs in-house and higher prices for farmers for products that previously had competition.
It's the modern version of feudalism!
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Wow! I for one find tremendous value in biotech. Seed with the ability to spray glyphosate or glufosinate on AND is treated. Ever buy pea or lentil or faba seed?
No spit! I bought Chicpeas this spring, cost more than corn by quite a margin, and I got what? No herbicide options, no quarentee, no seed treat

Monsanto did more for conservation than any other entity ever, period, but you would think they could remain on thier own

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