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How is that???
Yyou must be darn lucky.
Every time I purchase 134a I am asked if I am certified.
Certification to purchase ozone depleting substances in Canada has been required since 1993.
I've been buyin from the same place for 15 yrs a couple bottle a yr I go threw.

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The rules have been there since February of 92? Use to have the sign hanging in the shop.
I don't know what the story is now because you can now buy 8oz cans or something goofy like that.
I've got the certificate somewhere, first time I was ever asked for it was a couple months ago but I guess my supplier had a way to verify it.
I usually go through 7-8 bottles a year.
If I read read right, anything under 2lbs

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I guess my local Napa has to put the certificate number on the sales ticket for tracking purposes on all big tanks
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Every time I purchase 134a I am asked if I am certified. Certification to purchase ozone depleting substances in Canada has been required since 1993.
I thought R134a was introduced to replace other refrigerants because it wasn't ozone depleting.

We can still buy cans of the stuff here in Alberta without a license but that's not the larger bottles of course. I assume it's R134a. Didn't look too closely but it claims to be compatible with R134a systems anyway.
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Every time I purchase 134a I am asked if I am certified. Certification to purchase ozone depleting substances in Canada has been required since 1993.
I thought R134a was introduced to replace other refrigerants because it wasn't ozone depleting.

We can still buy cans of the stuff here in Alberta without a license but that's not the larger bottles of course. I assume it's R134a. Didn't look too closely but it claims to be compatible with R134a systems anyway.
It was, but it's now something that worsenes global warming or something
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The crap you're buying in small cans is just that, crap. It usually contains a sealant that reacts with oxygen to form a plug (to "fix" the leak that caused the loss of refrigerant in the first place), and when you fail to evacuate your system before shooting that garbage in, it will eventually just gum up your entire system. The chemical compound itself usually contains hydrocarbons like propane and butane, which have similar properties to the refrigerants that are supposed to be used, but are flammable hydrocarbons...!!! I hate dealing with a system that has been contaminated by crap like Duracool or whatever, I refuse to hook up my equipment to something that has the mechanical equivalent of an STD.
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What is the format of an A/C certification number? I.E. number of characters, any spaces or hyphens, all numbers or some letters, etc.


If I knew the format, I wonder if a random sequence would get the job done to let me buy a bottle?...

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I buy small cans with no dye no sealant no oil. Sealant just makes a mess
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I thought R134a was introduced to replace other refrigerants because it wasn't ozone depleting.

We can still buy cans of the stuff here in Alberta without a license but that's not the larger bottles of course. I assume it's R134a. Didn't look too closely but it claims to be compatible with R134a systems anyway.
R134a was never sold in Canada in the small cans.
Our neighbours in the USA however were able to buy it in the small cans.
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The crap you're buying in small cans is just that, crap. It usually contains a sealant that reacts with oxygen to form a plug (to "fix" the leak that caused the loss of refrigerant in the first place), and when you fail to evacuate your system before shooting that garbage in, it will eventually just gum up your entire system. The chemical compound itself usually contains hydrocarbons like propane and butane, which have similar properties to the refrigerants that are supposed to be used, but are flammable hydrocarbons...!!! I hate dealing with a system that has been contaminated by crap like Duracool or whatever, I refuse to hook up my equipment to something that has the mechanical equivalent of an STD.
I agree and I won't touch anything contaminated either. I really wish guys would think twice before dumping some of that crap into an otherwise up to date system. What might seem like a cheap fix today will be ten fold as expensive down the road if you ever want it fixed properly. For something you only need temporary,then I could see it, but even then I won't go there myself, I'll open windows first.

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