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I do not like socialism, fascism, liberalism therefore I do not like democrats. That being said, I have burnt my "vast right wing conspiracy card" and no longer support every candidate that puts a "R" behind there name. I am sick of spineless republicans that when in power give the liberals all they want anyway. 17 of them vying for a chance to run for president, over half aren't worth a ****. Of the top ten, you could easily cut that in half to get down to the decent ones. Trump is saying what needs to be said, no political correctness, few are backing him publically because they are scared to.

I agree with Trump, he should not be forced to give support to whatever republican gets the nomination. You really want a liberal with a "R" behind their name instead of one with a "D"? In my book a liberal is a liberal regardless of political affiliation and they won't get my support either.


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I tend to agree with Mark, however Mr. Trump or someone like him could be exactly what this country needs to get a good majority of the citizens to wake up. At least with him the next four years would be interesting.

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The Donald is not my first choice but I will vote republican. Killery belongs in the big house not the white house.........
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I don't have access to the US debate coverage so can't comment on the antics of the actual debate but I found a comment of Okpanhandle quite profound. The very fact that the media who should be 100% impartial is backing/supporting or putting one runner in a better light then another is so wrong on many levels from my point of view. So when one really thinks about it, you watch the debate and then its the "Media" who puts a spin on all that was said and twists it around to suit their cause and then tells the voting public, "this is who you vote for folks" in a round about way.

Does anyone know who controls the media in the States or has them by the balls is maybe more like it.
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I don't have access to the US debate coverage so can't comment on the antics of the actual debate but I found a comment of Okpanhandle quite profound. The very fact that the media who should be 100% impartial is backing/supporting or putting one runner in a better light then another is so wrong on many levels from my point of view. So when one really thinks about it, you watch the debate and then its the "Media" who puts a spin on all that was said and twists it around to suit their cause and then tells the voting public, "this is who you vote for folks" in a round about way.

Does anyone know who controls the media in the States or has them by the balls is maybe more like it.
This commentary can only come from someone who is completely unfamiliar with American news organizations. There has never been anything impartial about how the news is reported in this country, going back to the earliest days of the republic. Long before broadcast news existed, newspapers chose up sides and supported those politicians who agreed with the paper's editorial point of view, and printed unflattering (and in many cases, absolutely false) stories about the candidates with whom the publisher disagreed.

The media in the US is very fragmented. It isn't controlled by anyone. Americans can choose to get their news from any number of radio or TV networks, a dwindling number (but still influential) of daily newspapers, and an almost endless assortment of websites, some of which make up National Enquirer quality stories which are outrageously funny and outrageously false (and, sadly, are believed as absolute gospel by by what are sometimes referred to as "low information voters").

Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul who owns Fox News, is no dummy. He knows that Fox is doing Trump a huge favor by giving him what amounts to free advertising. By holding Trump's feet to the fire in the debate, Fox News is making The Donald pay for his advertising. And, by being confrontational towards Trump during a show (and the debate was a TV show, not a public service) the network can count on a lot of attention from other news outlets which will draw more viewers to Fox just to see what's gonna happen next.

As always, follow the money.

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I've watched Fox News when visiting dad in the states and yes its coming from my personal Canadian point of view that I can't believe the drivel that comes out of the mouths of news casters on that broadcast, then to see my dad sucking up all that crap as gospel. That was the point I wanted to get across, as an outsider looking in its eye opening to see how media drags things off into certain directions and to gain in one way or another .... as you said GM, follow the money.

As to politicians, I have a hard time believing in any of them and looking at how our respective countries are digging huge holes of debt, its a mess that never should have been allowed to happen and yet it is and we watch the train wreck happen and no matter what clown we vote for it continues. Just frustrated watching the mess play out as we are the ones that will pay dearly in the end.
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What is bothering me is that Canadian politics and electioneering is rapidly becoming Americanized with mud slinging, PACs, etc. Doesn't do anyone any favors. I say get rid of fixed election dates in Canada pronto. Does nothing but waste time and money. I'm starting to get embarrassed anytime Harper speaks these days. Though of course I get embarrassed when any politician speaks. So I don't tend to listen to debates on either side of the border. I'll read the summary on the BBC.

I lived in the US for many years and it became clear that US politics is simply team sports. Doesn't matter who the players are or even if they switch jerseys. The fans are rabid in support of their colors. Even to the point of opposing ideas their own team had if they ever are introduced by the other team. Like the ACA, which was directly inspired by and nearly identical to a Republican proposal in the 90s. I remember hearing how the world was going to end with Bill Clinton, and then when Bush got in and things started going very badly with the war and all, the other folks started saying the world was going to end, martial law would be declared and Bush would be dictator (too funny). Then again with the current administration it repeats. If Trump becomes president I'm sure the world will end as well. But it will restart in 8 years.

Except that the US does not really need dynasties (of any party or stripe), Jeb is your best bet for the R team I think. He's the only one who can reach the increasingly critical Hispanic vote.

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Don't want to put any pressure on you guys,,,,but the global economy is depending on you getting this one right.
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I lived in the US for many years and it became clear that US politics is simply team sports. Doesn't matter who the players are or even if they switch jerseys. The fans are rabid in support of their colors. Even to the point of opposing ideas their own team had if they ever are introduced by the other team. Like the ACA, which was directly inspired by and nearly identical to a Republican proposal in the 90s. I remember hearing how the world was going to end with Bill Clinton, and then when Bush got in and things started going very badly with the war and all, the other folks started saying the world was going to end, martial law would be declared and Bush would be dictator (too funny). Then again with the current administration it repeats. If Trump becomes president I'm sure the world will end as well. But it will restart in 8 years.

Except that the US does not really need dynasties (of any party or stripe), Jeb is your best bet for the R team I think. He's the only one who can reach the increasingly critical Hispanic vote.
American Politics is like team sports on the surface, for sure, but there`s a more sinister underbelly, in that the Captains are paid off and both teams belong to the same owners...Corporate America, who play the fans like a fine fiddle!
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Truth is undergoing the same operation that Bruce Jenner had. No one is allowed to speak it anymore because someone else will be offended.

Say the slightest negative thing (true or not) about someone else and you get branded as "ist": Sexist, racist, someist of some kind. You are a bad bad mean person if you are an ist.


Frankly I think people are sick as **** of it and that's why trump sounds refreshing to so many.


Is Rosie a pos hog? Wouldn't be hard to find 100000 people who would say yeah to that evaluation.


There are a lot of people right now that want to kick the easily offended right square in the ass and tell them to piss off, stfu. Not sure it's enough to win the presidency or not.


If you can't see the media playing sides then you have an agenda to not see it. Pick any man on stage last night and pretend they had the email server, or Benghazi, or, or, or, or.. Any of the Clinton scandals. They'd be crucified like a palin, relentlessly, non stop coverage until they were crushed. She either gets no mention of it, or cover for it from them.


The EPA released a million gallons of crap into the river today, did you see the coverage on that, or just where some guy in wyoming is losing the ranch because they dug a 1 acre pond in a place where the ducks fly over.

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