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post #2071 of 9863 (permalink) Old 10-24-2016, 05:33 PM
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Since we need more posts to hit the 3k..

Who are you Canadians going to vote for, and how many times?

Our election process is pretty much not secure so we will let you vote, you just need to drive on down.

If anyone gives you crap, tell them you know a Clinton and someone is going to get rubbed out if you don't get a ballot.
ND is next door here and that result should be a foregone conclusion. Maybe drive down to Minnesota, they have lots of socialists there don't they? I could cancel out Jesse Ventura's vote...

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Ah so now we are moving on to USA in the biggest decline since the 30's, siege mentality, surround the fort and hole up with your remaining cans of beans and a heap of guns. Case the red man comes back or something.

I don't know what is more laughable, lauding drumpftler as an economic saviour, or the added flavour of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Shut down the Fed. No more central government, no more IRS or FBI. Yeah, just like the good old days when the settlers tamed the West.

You couldn't make this stuff up. You want to go Mad Max whilst the rest of the world moves on. Right ho!


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Exactly the reasons the west should have kept their jobs at home...
Never going to happen.

You are dreaming if you think that the West or anyone else should have kept any thing or anyone at home.

You are telling me it would have been better for the UK to retain it's coal mining industry, subsidise the ass out of it, to what net gain?

You know, if you want to head down that road, with the state basically organising and sponsoring private enterprise, you're barking up the tree of socialism right there.

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You are telling me it would have been better for the UK to retain it's coal mining industry, subsidise the ass out of it, to what net gain?
Well coal isnt whale oil. Its still being used all over the world probably even in the UK.

The cornerstones of trade are to provide your own population from your own labour and supply first.

Therefore, if you need coal and you have coal, then you produce it yourself and look to sell the excess to someone who doesnt have any. You dont torpedo your own industry then ship it in from china.

Look what happened to US steel. Here in canada we cut down forests ship the wood to china and get cheap junk furniture back that falls apart in a year. That's sound economics to you?
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It's weird, in North Dakota and Montana, USA coal production is so efficient that the only way any other energy source can compete with it is for the socialists and liberals to ban its use. It is true they don't use pickaxes and lantern hats to get it though!

Maybe the UK could have used some giant draglines and trucks. When they're done reclaiming the land maybe they could build some roads that you don't have to back up on when you meet another car and the houses wouldn't have to share walls.
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Never going to happen.

You are dreaming if you think that the West or anyone else should have kept any thing or anyone at home.

You are telling me it would have been better for the UK to retain it's coal mining industry, subsidise the ass out of it, to what net gain?

You know, if you want to head down that road, with the state basically organising and sponsoring private enterprise, you're barking up the tree of socialism right there.
You are the most ass backwards thinking person here.

Never going to happen? Dreaming if the west or anyone should have kept any industry and/or related jobs at home? Are you really telling me we are so much better off shipping jobs out of the country and having a 15% unemployment rate? We are better having able bodied people on welfare than having all the nasty jobs at home? Sure, you bet we are, if you desire to live under socialism. I do not, bring the jobs back home.

Should the UK retained its coal mining industry and subsidized it? No, absolutely not. What they should have done is not taxed it out of profitability and let the free market work. Should other technologies become cost effective and affordable perhaps they would have replaced coal, its called capitalism, it works, every time its tried. But the leftists penalize coal, tax it to death and subsidize wind energy, that's called socialism, and it fails, every time.

No one said they want the state organizing, sponsoring, and promoting private enterprise, your correct, its socialism. We want the government to get the **** out of industries way and quit picking winners and losers on the taxpayers bill, and the consumers expense.

Capitalism mayo, I know it scares you but it a good thing.
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You are telling me it would have been better for the UK to retain it's coal mining industry, subsidise the ass out of it, to what net gain?

You know, if you want to head down that road, with the state basically organising and sponsoring private enterprise, you're barking up the tree of socialism right there.
So why is the UK subsidizing it's farmers and food processors, why not just purchase all your food from China? They have lots of production capacity over there. With the agricultural population and it's percentage of GDP is makes no sense from a purely economic standpoint to have any subsidies at all provided to that sector. There are other very good reasons for the UK to have it's farmers well taken care of. Your argument that everything boils down to pure economics does not work.

It seems to me that many of the Trump supporters are not voting for Trump himself, they are voting against Goldman Sachs controlled government.

How many Wall Street crooks went to jail for their illegal actions which led to the 08 issues? There were far more laws created and made retroactive which legalized what the crooks did than handcuffs were used. People lost their homes and livelihoods while the CEO's bonuses reached sickening levels. People with their eyes open watched as the world's leaders have pillaged main streets to feed the global financial barons. That is where Trumps support is coming from and I totally understand that.
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If I were trump and I won the election, the day after there would be tariffs on all goods coming into the country based on our values.

1. goods come from a dictatorship country +1% tarrif
2. goods come from a communist country +1%
3. goods come from a country with poor human rights +1%
4. goods come from a country with poor environmental record +1%
5. goods come from a country that doesnt buy anything back (japan) +1%
6. goods come a country that US based businesses moved to +10%

Within 5 years all those lost jobs would be right back here.
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It's interesting that Wallonia is the only jurisdiction in the whole of Europe (and Canada) knows what's really going to happen if this free trade deal goes through. We are going to export our jobs over there, they are going to export their jobs to us (most will probably windup in some third world country), multinationals are going to plunk a bunch more freighters in the ocean and trucks on the road while our leaders tax us to death to "save the environment", there are more climate change gasses leaving politicians mouths then any industry on earth...

Trump is right, these deals don't benefit the general population (or himself for that matter), he knows it and I think the majority of Americans do as well.

Let's see, we want to save the environment, we want to ship oil and gas all over the place, we want to save the environment, we want to increase world trade and ship crap all over the place, we want to save the environment, we want to grow economies, we want to save the environment, we want to increase tourism and have people travel all over and tramp through all our natural habitat, we want to save the environment... What a phuking mess...

Trump is a prick but if we expect the worse from him, he can only do better. The alternative has been demonstrating what she can do for the last three decades and many can hear a distinct flushing noise just over the horizon.
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When you look at UK ag...it baffles me...they amount of back office staff controlling BPS subsidy, three crop rule, enviromental requirements especially nitrogen restriction zones and effluent run off....they are as far removed from the free market and actually viable as you can imagine...it would be much cheaper to get it all in from Poland and black sea region...lamb is flooding in from Aus and NZ....

Its hardly a beacon for the free market system and letting effecincies play out....there are instances that it makes sense to grow produce in the UK but the cost of running and adminerstering UK ag is mind blowing...

As for coal mining in UK. With mining technology these days, no reason it should have shut...unless reserves depleted so it is not in viable quantity....
What we have experienced yet is what happens when shipping lanes shut and air travel....then you watch all the pollies come out with there lets be self suffecient country policies....beating there chest....

I think the enviromental and social impact from sensless shipping goods all over the globe willy nilly have not been thought out at all....everyone is on the import export drug pipe...

Unemployment alone has massive consequences on people not working and the people who are working....and it lasts for generations....

Cheap sh*t from china is the view of the simplistic person....one who cannot calculate the social and enviromental impacts to there own country and the globe....

China has cheap labour..so fair play its there advanatge, they also have low enviromental laws that allow factories to produce goods cheap, they have state sponosorship...thats not free market...they have poor conditions for workers...so we are saying its ok to get those goods from china while your factory kills 20 people a year...thats good economics! Screw the poor workers family and kids...as long as i get my goods cheap its good policy...

The world always goes full circle...and it will again...someday...it just looks different every time it comes around...

Personally i think looking after home is the cornerstone of the usa election but its come down to jock strap talk and bimbos...
Brexit was about looking after home first...and that means shunning some of the globalization aspects...

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