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post #7521 of 9787 (permalink) Old 12-12-2018, 07:18 PM
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Heck while you're at it why not give everybody a $40 an hour job created by government?

Cuz that would be fair.

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Was listening to an interview with a yellow jacket protest organizer in Canada. These protests also had run-ins with "anti" fascists. It seems the antifa morons didn't fair too well - got run out and many got arrested. Any antifa idiots at any rally need to be dealt with quickly. There is a reason why masked people are not tolerated.
ken, Canadas yellow jacket movement got tainted when the sons of odin showed up. I mean wtf. Cant even have a decent protest in this country.

I think most are sitting on their hands until Oct 2019. Hopeful for at least a minority govt.

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Never heard of sons of odin. But that is what to watch for - anyone who is out there to do anything other than lawful assembly. The "anti" fascists are well known for that. The conversation was that the yellow vests were going to keep organizing and having rallies. They say they are non partisan and not associated with Maxime Bernier. Also heard reporters are already calling them racists. Because thats another way to try and breakdown protests - misinform the public as to who is doing what and why.
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Another good twitter thread laying out the last 12-18 months of how the legal system is working under Trump, Sessions, Huber, Horowitz and such. Its important to understand these things since people are conditioned to hear everything from the tv, including leaks. The present media coverage won't discuss these things.



https://mobile.twitter.com/paul_serr...53304165113857


Also, i see Flynns defense requested the 302s (fbi notes from questioning because fbi doesn't do audio/video documentation - another story on its own) from the case. Request was made to the court today and the judge stated everything to be turned over Friday afternoon. No screwing around.



The story is the 302s have been falsified and testimonies such as Comeys will show that. This will put a whole new perspective on the Flynn investigation. Remember that Flynn wanted to testify and Mueller provided the opportunity to do so. Probably not smart for Mueller.



https://web.archive.org/web/20161107...00841518776320
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I respect the concern, but you're greatly overstating the issues. I'll talk you back from the ledge.

to be the fundamental weakness of the system.

So far, the system has proven to be strong. Yes, Trump sucks. But the system is designed in such a way that he, along with his supporters, cannot make wholesale changes to the US. There are plenty of checks and balances in place to mitigate lunacy. Even when lunacy is merely looking for the bathroom to take a **** but unexpectedly finds itself in the Oval Office.

Along comes a reality TV old-timer

I mean, Ronald Regan was an actor and he became president. Europe has had a few "showman" politicians. And there have been several governors in the US that had unorthodox backgrounds. What Trump was didn't necessarily discredit him. His personality and poor business acumen and lack of political knowledge were what discredited him. (Also that he was compromised by outsiders).

I personally don't care if an ex-mason or ex- baseball player becomes president, so long as they know what they're doing. Yes, it sucks that Trump is the dolt that we ended up with, but I'd rather risk a Trumping every couple hundred years than a dictator or monarch. Now, if this becomes a pattern, and we elect some moron every term, then it might be cause for concern. But that says more about the populace than the system itself.

manages to distort the democratic process

You're giving him too much credit. I firmly believe in Russian/outside meddling. And THAT is the true weakness in the system: the impact of modern technology on modern campaigns and democracies. And frankly, we can see that even European nations are susceptible to this intrusion. This needs to be addressed. Collusion, undermining, shady donors, etc.

dividing the US right down the middle and seemingly shatters whatever civic unity could be seen

The US is divided, but way more than down the middle. The news reports would have you believe that everyone and everything is A and B, Black and White, Odd or Even. But it's not that cut and dry. Civic unity in the US was always more superficial than it appeared. We collectively get along during the 4th of July, Christmas, Thanksgiving, the Olympics, and maybe 1 or 2 other unifying events. The only thing that truly brought Americans together was a common language. Outside of that, there's a bit more disunity than people realize.

The US isn't divided in two. It's divided in many more regions, each with its own culture, community, viewpoints, voting patterns, religious preference, etc. etc.

If you're suggesting that the country is divided more acutely between Red states and Blue states, you may be right to some extent. But here's the good news: the blue states, even when not controlling the government, are winning. Red states are backwaters: tombs for bad policies, bad politics, bad economics, bad education, and other dumb conservative policies. The Red states in the US are largely the states that don't matter. They're falling behind in every meaningful measure when compared to their Blue state counterparts, and will have little influence or impact on US or even global politics and development. The Red states are suddenly out southern Italy.

I can't help but wonder how the **** you'd manage to build such a fragile system.

And compared to what? The ever-functional and benevolent and strong and stable systems throughout European history? This system is working exactly as intended. Given another system, Trump could have entered the White House and made wholesale changes to the very foundation of the country. But instead, he struggles to pass anything meaningful, even with a republican majority in Washington. Also, he'll be gone before you know it.

And the best part of the system is that the people are uniting where it matters: state and city governments. In such a bloated and diverse and expansive country, the efficacy of federal government is somewhat questionable. People realize that local government is more important, more impactful. Federal government is good for the basics: aid, defense, a few other things. But local government is where it's all happening.

You see here in these stories that "the US is pushing coal and gets laughed at." So, everyone in the US must be coal crazy, right?

In reality, local governments are pursuing alternative energy without the support of the federal government. Coal plants are shutting down at a very fast rate, solar and wind farms are being constructed all over the southwest, states are issuing their own forms of carbon tax, pressure is put on automotive manufacturers to meet strict fuel efficiency standards, massive research is being dumped into autonomous driving in Michigan, public transit gets expanded in cities across the country, urbanization is encouraged to reduce city sprawl, new construction must have solar panels, etc. etc.

Basically, dozens -- hundreds even -- of local politicians, whether mayors or governors or congresspeople or whatever, are pursuing green energy and addressing climate change as aggressively as their counter-parts in Europe and across much of the world. And you might think, "Well what does it matter? It's only a few states in the whole country."

Well, the good news is that the states and cities that matter -- that dictate the future of not just the US, but the world -- are the ones putting in the work. California, New York, Texas, and Florida have economies bigger than all but a couple of European countries. And another 10 that would still make the top-25 largest economies in the world list. As they go, so the country and even world goes. And these are the ones having the biggest impact. While this fucking idiot talks about coal, the state of California is doing, building, testing, designing, and making **** that will help change -- and possibly even save -- the fucking world.

how the US could be put back together culturally save a major war or economic cataclysm.

Again, the US has always dealt with division. From its inception. Separatists and loyalists, Federalists and royalists, slave holders and abolitionists, native born and immigrants, the Civil War, the isolationists and the bellicose, Christian and atheist, north and south, east and west, conservative and liberal, ruling elite and working class, Boston and New York City, Los Angeles and San Francisco, Yankees and Red Sox, University of Michigan and and Ohio State University.

This country will be fine, if the PEOPLE so choose it. The division might seem real as ****, on TV and in news reports and in our bubbles on the internet and at political rallies. But let me tell you right here and now that there is little hostility between Americans when they are together in our daily lives.

Reading Reddit and the news, you'd think that the country was burning. In reality, people are friendly and open and happy and only the most extreme on any side allow themselves to be sucked into some extremist political fervor.

Everything is going to be ok. Deep breaths. We'll get through this. While Trump and his dipshit sack of merry idiots are embarrassing themselves (and many Americans), innovators are busy behind the scenes working to change the world, and the majority of Americans are here, ever still the allies and friends of Canada and France and Germany and Japan and Korea and Australia and Mexico and whomever else Trump has **** on recently.

Edit: in regard to the "backwater" and "states that don't matter comment", I understand why some would take offense. It's really not meant as a disrespect to individuals who live there. Or a direct attack. And I recognize that there are plenty of successful republican areas throughout the country.

But with all due respect, states like Mississippi, Kentucky, Indiana, Louisiana, West Virginia, Alabama, etc. are simply not going to be at the forefront of change and innovation and development. That is coming from states like California, New York, Massachusetts, Washington, etc.
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Ken you delusion fool there is no secret play for Hillary the only people going to prison are Trumps inner circle and hopefully Trump.
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You're shi**in me right? Blue States are the king of bad economic policy regardless of what alleged Innovative sob more than likely is a beneficiary of the government and its regulatory strong arm. Are you awake California Illinois New York are the kings of bad policy. People with things going on or leaving those places by the droves and unfortunately some of the bad is coming along with them. The progressive have their eye on Texas. And those states are mentioned above it's the large metropolitan areas that cancel out the rest of the normal part of the states. I realize there's good people everywhere but I'm telling you these large cities and cities in general are just is tyrannical as the federal government only lacking the power to print the money and regulate it and can stripped and wage war unconstitutionally destroying other countries.

And all these alleged local politicians doing all this wonderful work when not sucking down the local tax dollars are pandering for Federal Grants and Monies like flies on cowsh*t. That's not being innovative that's being well-connected. Innovation only flourishes through private channels. I know you can't grasp that because you think there needs to be a regulator. Regulation only benefits the well-connected Never the alleged victim.

You are right about the vast diversity and it was supposed to stay that way because the original intent was a focus on States Sovereignty. Originally you were supposed to vote with your feet if things we're going down the hole.
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Cohen goes to jail and it don't make the main headline today.. Lol

Tough day on the trump crime family today, watching Racheal Medow tonight it sounds like the daughter, both sons, could and most likely all be indicted for false records to cover up the trail of money to Cohen for trumps women's hush money

Think finnally the truth is comming out, and most likely with all this collusion with hush money and Russian hacking hillarys emails.. Very good chance if not definite Hillary would be the president.. So sad to say the least, but very entertaining over the years

Wonder if Usa will ever recover from the humiliation this guy has put them threw, world is laughing at him and the guys who voted for this fool..

Lesson learned we hope

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watching Racheal Medow tonight



Lesson learned we hope

Yes, lesson learned.

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You're shi**in me right? Blue States are the king of bad economic policy regardless of what alleged Innovative sob more than likely is a beneficiary of the government and its regulatory strong arm. Are you awake California Illinois New York are the kings of bad policy. People with things going on or leaving those places by the droves and unfortunately some of the bad is coming along with them. The progressive have their eye on Texas. And those states are mentioned above it's the large metropolitan areas that cancel out the rest of the normal part of the states. I realize there's good people everywhere but I'm telling you these large cities and cities in general are just is tyrannical as the federal government only lacking the power to print the money and regulate it and can stripped and wage war unconstitutionally destroying other countries.

And all these alleged local politicians doing all this wonderful work when not sucking down the local tax dollars are pandering for Federal Grants and Monies like flies on cowsh*t. That's not being innovative that's being well-connected. Innovation only flourishes through private channels. I know you can't grasp that because you think there needs to be a regulator. Regulation only benefits the well-connected Never the alleged victim.

You are right about the vast diversity and it was supposed to stay that way because the original intent was a focus on States Sovereignty. Originally you were supposed to vote with your feet if things we're going down the hole.
Literally not one thing you said is accurate. You gotta quit believe that ****.

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