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post #9141 of 9159 (permalink) Old 05-15-2019, 09:59 AM
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Yes, that is what I was referring too. It's not the value that matters, who cares about low level finance illegal activity. The thing is the bigger picture in all these schemes, to understand that there are a lot of people involved giving a wink-wink, nudge-nudge to say it's ok. College admissions same thing, the Steele dossier becoming credible evidence, etc. Same thing with our SNC Lavalin political donations. Small potatoes. But there is a bigger picture. SSo much going on these last few weeks in the news I can't keep up so not posting much.

Your thought for the day, how do you deal with China. The news in Canada is about China and Hauwei. In the US it is trade war with China. No one ever discusses why? Is that probably why the "news" put these things out there, to keep people talking as if these are the issues.

China is not capitalist. They also run the highest debt from their central bank which is no doubt unaudited. We run debt to spend on social welfare, healthcare, environmental, foreign aid, and a list of many things. What does China spend their debt on? Is Chinese manufacturing built on borrowed money? If so, how much? We spend borrowed money on a laundry list of social crap, does China plow it all into manufacturing. Suppose their borrowing is 3x what is reported and is used to build manufacturing no one can compete with. Is this an issue?



China - Mr Central Bank, I want to borrow $3 Trillion and build state owned manufacturing and out compete everyone.

CB - no problem, here is $3T
China - how long do I need to pay it back, any penalty?

CB - Seriously? Look, all I did is go to a computer and type in $3T. I don't actually need anything back because it cost me nothing
China - well any other consequences to not paying?

CB - well, your currency gets devalued if a lot is floating around but if you can control your currency value and we can help with that then no big deal
China - cool, we will become a manufacturing power house then


Trump - China is labelled as a currency manipulator


But, probably just made up stuff. The news says trade war with China is bad for various reasons and you don't need to understand why any of this is possible. Just like those massive ghost city projects built. I thought they would be expensive. But that only matters if you have to pay your debts like us peasants.

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I guess you could say China took the western central bank model and built cities and a manufacturing empire, whereas America used the same financial model to build military hardware to ship out into the American desert!

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It's all under the 'Western Banking System' This crap ain't Home Grown. They are Communist Elite Zio-Anglo Elite. Solidified Power. London, New York, Brussels.

They exported this Scheme Everywhere around the Globe!
Money Changers a plenty!! But NO goolllldddd! Just some paper!
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It's not too hard to understand. Therefore the role of the MSM is keep the peasants talking about the issues without talking about the real issues. It is pretty clear the debts won't be repaid. Total world debt is something like $260T as reported. Therefore it is a guess. Derivatives exposure is much higher meaning people gambling with money they don't have. Which is rather funny because the $260T doesn't exist as real money either, its just 1 and 0's on a computer. How more more "money" can be lent? An infinite amount. This financial system is a scam once you accept the debt is irrelevant because more "money" is just a computer entry away. Thus you may think that sound, hard, real money may be better. Something not in infinite supply.

But let's get to the fact various countries are racking up debt. Let's also accept it is simply numbers on a computer screen with nothing tangible to limit its expansion. $260T debt now, why not make it $350T in 5 years.

So the difference comes down to what the debt is used for. One country uses it for something tangible or productive such as infrastructure, manufacturing, energy production and another puts it into "social" projects that not only don't do anything tangible but could be argued to create a lower level society. Now consider there is no real way the debt will be repaid as data suggests and the people lending and borrowing it all know this is as fact. A country like Canada could borrow to spend on "social" programs and also borrow more to invest in infrastructure like pipelines, refining, and a number of state of the art hospitals around the country. Why not, it's just more debt. Or the US could spend $2T on Iraq war and borrow another $1T (to take debt for $22T to $23T) and build 10 new hospitals in every state with funding for years.

So,what really matters is how the debt is used. If we accept it is just fake money because the central banks don't actually have vaults where they are down to their last Trillion to lend, then you need to look at the how and whys of the debt and why more isn't used to do things for the peasants.

People keep referring to China asiif there is a tangible economic model at work. That manufacturing exists based on profitability and the China debt is based only on being able to pay it back. No one asks how much of China debt goes to build the manufacturing, the infrastructure to supply it, the energy network to supply it etc.

How much of China's state owned debt is fed into the manufacturing to ensure an apparent low cost production. Its more than just cheap labour. What if Canada borrowed $1T and fed it into Ontario manufacturing to provide cheap energy, low taxes, capital to build factories, subsidize worker care (we already do that) . Would Ontario be competitive on the world stage? And, since it's just 1's and 0's on a computer screen, the central bank did it interest free and helped with currency manipulation because that is actually one of the key roles of the central banking cartel.


And if this seems too much tin foil hat stuff. The BIS over sees all this and coordinates it. In a world where we can have a public inquiry to audit a group in power for possibly paying too much for a $2M chunk of land, who is auditing the BIS on behalf of the citizens not just in one country, but how about governments around the world all putting together independent committees to ensure their own Central Bank is being treated fairly in relation to other central banks under BIS oversight. If one country gets interest free debt while another pays, shouldn't there be committees to ensure this isn't happening.

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And after all that economic Destruction in '08, the Power Players of Paper Financials went right back to work Unscathed as if nothing ever happen.

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The Question how do you Ween an entire society off of (Their) system? They Own Barter Town and all the Trading Routes to it..

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That's the big picture question BBL. How do you take on something that has been entrenched for centuries. It goes far beyond the creation of the Federal Reserve System. I keep pointing out why we accept things as fact or necessary or acceptable when it is very clear the system is a farce. Yet we accept it and defend it as being legitimate. If it was illegitimate it would not exist. That is how these things are answered. Grain futures trading. China operates on the same level playing field. Communism must be destroyed but now communists are our #1 trading partner and must be defended at all costs. Free trade. Private control of monetary system. Tax payer wealth to big corporations. Etc.

How many see us living through a failed coup of the US government? If this were true this would be something the history books will keep alive for generations as an example of utter corruption in governance. If we don't see it as such then it doesn't exist. The teevee is not saying anything about a coup so it must be just some political shitt show going on that needs to be sorted out. Maybe an impeachment is necessary but certainly we are not living through one of the biggest political events in a 100 years. If that were the case we would all certainly know about it.

It's interesting that Italy is going rogue again. Taking on their own "intelligence" apparatus. Clearly the Italian "populist" government is off their rocker and must be stopped because these intelligence agencies of all countries serve the public good and must be defended. Or the alternative is that if DJT and Italy are correct in their actions then what you are seeing is the Stasi being taken apart. There again, if they were the Stasi we would certainly know about it.

How indeed would it look if you started taking apart the system.

Prime Minister Conté visited with President Trump in June 2018 at the White House; and reflects a more nationalistic outlook in Italy. Conte’ has high approval in the country; however, it appears the socialists (including media) are outraged at the challenge to the intelligence apparatus…


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Nxivm, more conspiracy talk proving to be fact in court, and more conspiracy talk in the article involving unnamed sources that will most likely be proven as fact in the future. Lots of evidence already to say so.

https://frankreport.com/2019/05/16/p...ator-in-nxivm/


And, timely enough about futures trading, this change here should greatly aid in futures trading serving it primary function of solely for price discovery. Because what better way to obtain price discovery then to evolve the entire scam (I mean system) to what it presently is.



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Leftism just got rejected in Australia in a big way with federal election result.

All the polls showed lefty ahead.

Just like Trump.

Conservatives are the majority.

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Leftism just got rejected in Australia in a big way with federal election result.

All the polls showed lefty ahead.

Just like Trump.

Conservatives are the majority.

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Thanks for that!

Canada next!

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