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post #9721 of 10036 (permalink) Old 09-08-2019, 02:40 PM
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Just my interpretation, i am by no means an expert, i could be full of [email protected] lol
Just the fact that you are thinking about these things puts you ahead of 99.99% of people out there. Most people are utilizing 98% of their brain power thinking about "Game of Thrones" or something similar. This leaves them 1% to keep from soiling their pants and only 1% left over for everything else.

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All true CP, I think a term fitting to what you are describing is "financialization". It's how the modern economy works. Capitalism has been dead for a long time where the really big money exists, central planning rules there. Financialization is why gdp numbers are BS. Financialization drives the stock market higher, drives asset prices higher, has people putting 1 and 0s into things they never heard of. All the while service fees are paid, taxes paid, career's built managing this stuff, government revenues higher - and gdp goes higher. All based on 1s and 0s moving. Nothing productive or tangible.

One comment was farm land values going higher created wealth for the owners. Then someone noted that the new buyer was going to be taking on even more debt that never previously existed in order to buy it. So has wealth actually been created in the big picture.

Speaking of financialization, the radio picked up the story today that JP Morgan created software to track the stock market volatility created by Trumps tweets. Which is stupider:
1) that someone knowingly tweets something that causes the composite stock indexes around the world to react in seconds
2) that 1000s of companies that supposedly work on capitalistic ideals respond instantly in unision to a tweet
Depending which you pick will determine how much independent thought you exercise to understand the bigger reality.



But here is something, Ford at $84B in debt. Where exactly are we in capitalism if a company augers deeper and deeper into a hole. Who says you actually need a profit if your entire business model is based on adding more debt year after year. Sure, you can call it reinvestment and expansion but at some point capitalism expects debt paid and a profit. Otherwise you are out of business. But big corps just become parasites sucking up more wealth from the peasants who work within capitalism to buy a car but Ford has no such requirement to be profitable. And with negative rates its even easier to pile on debt. Even if the consumer says wtf and stops spending because they understand what negative rates mean. The government and corps can still spend because capitalism doesn't exist there.



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tu...lion-debt-junk


And here is a pile of graphs and charts on various economic things
https://howmuch.net/


At some point people will need to understand the debt will never be paid back. It can't be. But you will hear more than enough government officials stand at the podium and say we need to keep taxing people and tighten spending to the majority while special interest groups get all the attention. The thing is you are held accountable for your debt. You need to be in the central planning sphere to be able to borrow to infinity - its actually encouraged. Thats how inflation happens and inflation is a tax on you.

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Big debts like Ford has are something that works until it doesn't. Always has been, always will be. The only question is when does it stop working. I believe that our present corporate governance has just about run it's course. When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object you find out which one is right and it will be a spectacular event.
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That's the gist of my 1000 or so posts here lander. Bread and circus. People are watching the teeeveee news, hearing all about the economic expansion, economic boom time, stock market indexes, the bad things Trump is doing, trade war with China going to crash the economy, then they flick over to watch some sports, and then cheap Netflix before going to bed. How many people actually even think about what is really happening. And when you suggest things are not going well and that everything is controlled and rigged to get us to this point it is "conspiracy talk" and doom porn. Ah well, at least they don't make farm land anymore so you can rest easy knowing your asset/debt load will always work out in your favor. So go check your football pool.



There are days I think what Trump is doing falls right in line with what the controllers say. Just another Puppet. But then I see him do things that would normally be left alone, things that distract the peasants from their bread and circus. TDS works that way. While people fly into a rant because of what Trump said are people actually digging a bit more these days to get a better understanding. The true TDS suffers aren't, but those who no longer take the "news" as fact, are those people looking more into the insane things that the news claims Trump did and see a new understanding. I think that is the long game, slowly wake people up. I don't know how it will play out but if it goes that way I think that is the only way things can be changed without mass civil unrest. The awoke vs the sleepers.



One of my key views on the matter is that if Trump is working to give power back to the people then one thing I think will happen is these big corps will be slowly turned around. That is why paying attention to all the resignations, sexual harassment accusations, retirements at top levels over the last few years is part of the story. Think about how many people sit as board of directors on various corporations and even ones that are competitors. How does that work in a competitive market. Anyway, with so many people having their life savings invested in things tied to the stock market to get a return I don't think that game will be allowed to crash. Just keep treading water for a long time as things slowly change. We will see. Maybe the stock market will remain but follow capitalist principles with people buying and selling not computers, and a trade will be executed 4 hours after placement rather than those with the smallest millisecond delay being able to move things. Perhaps grain futures trading will become something where you must actually demonstrate proof of ability to supply and receive, or if you cancel without taking delivery there is a small penalty. That way people with a few $T can't buy and sell paper as if it is any reasonable representation of an actual commodity.



Speaking of things Trump did that make people's heads explode based on what the teeeveee says, here is something more about Planned Parenthood. We read enough about selling the parts and therefore it is an organization set up as a profit centre, but this article gets a little more uglier. Wonder if the PP supporters are in favor of all this or they are just programmed drones with TDS protesting whatever Trump does.

Speaking of civil unrest, it's probably good that the defendents are Doe9 and Doe12. (2 articles in link}.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/st...leiden-hearing

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That's the gist of my 1000 or so posts here lander.
1393 actually, NF at 908 in 2nd place and he came to the party pretty late, odd isn't it? Nope.

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Well 393 of those were just plain old partisan hacks, nothing to do with my thoughts on what may really be going on behind the scenes. Mayollie must of racked up quite a few too.

As for my comment on farmland values, I think a guy needs to beleive (or hope) Trump is working to help the people. Many people get hurt if the banksters have their way just like the previous engineered busts. I think Trump stopped the interest rate hikes and if so that there would have kept prices from falling off as the next implosion unwinds. But who could predict that if the central bankers could not foresee it. Insane expansion of debt should fix everything and so no bust would occur this time around, or some such story. Lower interest rates I don't think were part of the Trump plan (I mean the 1000s of people working with Trump not literally one man) but now necessary to counter what the cartel is doing with their plan b elsewhere in the world. Eventually you stabilize at what is a fair return on lending. Maybe 3 or 5% interest rate, I don't know. Things have been rigged for so long. You are a fool to dismiss what the gold standard did. Whether or not it is useable again I can't say but people need to understand how things worked prior to 1970 and post 1970 because of it. Look at debt growth. It kept this present BS in check. Things were pretty rigged before 1970 but the gold standard maintained restraints because gold is not man made nor manipulated by man. See where paper gold contracts fit? And perception management. Once removed the system became fully manipulated by people in power. Guess where cryptos fit and watch who promotes them. Although I can see use of the technology, just not as "money" in and of itself. More as a way to document or transfer wealth such as gold ownership or even grain in your bin verified and tracked by something such as block chain for futures marketing which I posted previously about.

Time will tell how many people figure out negative interest rates can't exist in a capitalist system of independent banks trying to eek out a profit based on lending out a percent of deposits they have, or why they can charge you to hold deposits in this environment, or how their stock prices keep going up. But this thread is a dumpster fire anyway and if a guy was to post some more things from Q pointing out other questionable matters then that would only support such thinking.
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1393 actually, NF at 908 in 2nd place and he came to the party pretty late, odd isn't it? Nope.
Took me a bit to figure out how you come up with those numbers lol, thread tools advanced search of user name, I see I am sitting at 249, well guess this is 250 now lol

Actually spent some time reading some of the original pages of posts from back four years ago, interesting how things said back then played out, but really struck me was how before Mayo and Fakefarmer interjected their respective babble, a huge portion of the membership were actively posting and we were having some good discussions on US/Can and other issues. Compare that to the degeneration this thread has experienced the last while with NF around, no wonder even myself skip by this thread many evenings now.

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Took me a bit to figure out how you come up with those numbers lol, thread tools advanced search of user name, I see I am sitting at 249, well guess this is 250 now lol

Actually spent some time reading some of the original pages of posts from back four years ago, interesting how things said back then played out, but really struck me was how before Mayo and Fakefarmer interjected their respective babble, a huge portion of the membership were actively posting and we were having some good discussions on US/Can and other issues. Compare that to the degeneration this thread has experienced the last while with NF around, no wonder even myself skip by this thread many evenings now.

That's very true. I've had a couple recent sleepless nights and wondered back through the depths of this thread and seemingly nearly everything in the world seems to have been discussed here. Sadly I fear many good posters to the forum in general have been somewhat turned off by it. I too tend to skip over it.
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A small time crook. It's always the money ,and only the money. It's a disgrace that half of a modern democracy voted for this obvious crook.


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