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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

As far as the motor being under load when the auger already in, it is supposed to do that. The auger swing is on a timer
Sorry can't help you with outswing stopping.

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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

Here is a DTAC case that tells how to adjust swing out and swing in times.

Solution Number: 52661

Solution Summary: UNLOADING AUGER SWING TIMING PROBLEMS - 50 & 60 SERIES COMBINES

Publication Date: Nov 28 2006


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Complaint or Symptom:



Auger does not swing in all of the time
Auger does not swing out all of the time
Unloading auger drive does not stay engaged
Unloading auger light does not come on or shut off at the right time


Problem or Situation:

The auger swing times settings may need to be changed.



Solution:

The automatic auger swing system is time based. Pressing the Auger Swing Out Button will cause the auger to swing out for a certain amount of time. Pressing the Auger Swing In Button will cause the auger to swing in for a certain amount of time. Since there is not a sensor on the unloading auger which can be used to determine where the auger is at, the electronic control of the auger will "keep track" of where the unloading auger is at based on the amount of time it has been swinging in or swinging out.

Because unloading augers on different machines may take longer or shorter to swing to the home position or swing to the fully extended position, the electronic control may not be able to accurately know where the auger is at all of the time. Over time, the electronic control may "lose track" of where the unloading auger is. Because of this, the auger may sometimes not return fully to the home position, or may not extend fully when the automatic swing buttons are pressed.

This can also effect the unloading auger drive engagement, since the unloading auger drive will not latch on electrically unless the auger is at least 50% swung out. If the electronic control "loses track" of the position of the auger, at times the auger may be fully extended but the unloading auger drive will not stay engaged. This is because the electronic control is not accurately tracking the auger position and believes the auger is less than 50% swung out.



Procedure:



Normally, if the unloading auger experiences any of the above problems the customer can "zero" the unloading auger position by performing the following procedure:



Using the auger swing out button, extend the unloading auger fully
Press the unloading auger swing in AUTOMATIC button (the second detent) and release. Let the auger swing in until it comes to a stop.
If the auger stops short of the home position, press and hold the auger swing in button until the auger is fully in the home position.
This will reset the logic for the location of the unloading auger in the event that the electronic control "loses track" of the position of the auger.



However, If the problem reoccurs, the auger swing time settings in diagnostics may need to be adjusted through the Cornerpost Control Unit. The following procedure describes how this is done. There are two procedures based on serial number.



Procedure 1: Setting the Auger Swing Times on Combines ( - 695100)



Note: The Auger Swing Times are stored in the Armrest Control Unit (C00).

Engine must be running at high idle.



Return the auger to the "home" position.
Using a stop watch or clock with a second hand, record the amount of time it takes to manually swing the unloading auger from home to the fully extended position.
Change Armrest Control Unit diagnostic address C00 100, Auger Swing Out Time for the time you recorded. A table below shows what value the address should be set to based on the time you recorded.
Using a stop watch or clock with a second hand, now record the time it takes to swing the auger from the fully extended position to the home position. This will typically take 2-5 seconds longer than it takes to swing out. Change Armrest Control Unit diagnostic address C00 101, Auger Swing In Time, for the time you recorded. Use the same table below to determine what value to put in the address.
Note: Round to the next highest time when selecting the value. For example, if it takes 12 seconds to swing your auger, set the diagnostic address to 15 (for 12.5 seconds) rather than 14 (for 11.1 seconds).

Important: Do not set the auger times any more than two seconds longer than necessary!


Value in Address
Swing Time (sec)

21
50.0

20
33.3

19
25.0

18
20.0

17
16.7

16
14.3

15
12.5

14
11.1

13
10.0

12
9.1

11
8.3

10
7.7

9
7.1

8
6.7

7
6.3

6
5.9

5
5.6

4
5.3

3
5.0

2
4.8






Procedure 2: Setting the Auger Swing Times on Combines (695101 - )



Note: Engine must be running at high idle.

The Auger Swing Times are stored in the Left Control Unit (E03).





Return the auger to the "home" position.
Using a stop watch or clock with a second hand, record the amount of time it takes to manually swing the unloading auger from home to the fully extended position.
Change Left Control Unit diagnostic address E03 100, Auger Swing Out Time for the time you recorded. A table below shows what value the address should be set to based on the time you recorded.
Using a stop watch or clock with a second hand, now record the time it takes to swing the auger from the fully extended position to the home position. This will typically take 2-5 seconds longer than it takes to swing out. Change Left Control Unit diagnostic address E03 101, Auger Swing In Time, for the time you recorded. Use the same table below to determine what value to put in the address.
Note: Round to the next highest time when selecting the value. For example, if it takes 16 seconds to swing your auger, set the diagnostic address to 16 (for 16.7 seconds) rather than 15 (for 15.4 seconds).

Important: Do not set the auger times any more than two seconds longer than necessary!


Value in Address
Swing Time (sec)

26
100.0

25
66.7

24
50.0

23
40.0

22
33.3

21
28.6

20
25.0

19
22.2

18
20.0

17
18.2

16
16.7

15
15.4

14
14.3

13
13.3

12
12.5

11
11.8

10
11.1

9
10.5

8
10.0



















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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

Thanks for the replies guys...good to know that its supposed to stay under load cause of the timer

However, my problem still remains because if i manually tell the auger to come back...it will still stall out. and i will have to keep pressing the button (to the first indent) to work the auger the rest of the way out.

It would seem like the joint itself is dry or partially seized but with the amount of grease i've pumped into it (and regularly pump into it) I just can't see it being the problem

Anyone have any more insight? Thanks again!
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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

We have 9750 and i noticed a similar problem when our combine developed a hydraulic leak. We actually didn't know we had a leak until our unloading auger started acting in a similar manner. I would suggest checking hydraulic fluid level if you haven't already. Hope this helps.
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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

I had a 2188 case...(i know a case) a few years back that would do the same thing and after a few days of brain racking i figured out that the auger was not sitting level and would bind on its way out or in...i now have a 70 series JD so i dont know if the 50 series has any sort of adjustment...good luck.
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9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

Hello All!

I'm new to the forum and hope you guys can offer me some help! I have a 2000 9650 STS and my unloading auger has all of a sudden started stalling out....the moving in and out action that is

When i press the button to move the auger out, it comes out about 3/4 of the way and then stops. If i press the button again it will move a little, or sometimes the whole way out. Sometimes it won't want to move any more but if i move it back and forth it will eventually get all the way out.

Interesting thing is that when i press the button to move it back in...it will almost always move all the way back flawlessly...but i notice that as it reaches its furthest inward point, the combine engine is still under slight load(sitting at an idle). If i tap the but to move it out an inch the load on the engine goes away - or if I wait long enough it will go away as well. Its as if the cylinder is still trying to suck the auger in tighter to the combine but can't.

I have greased the pivot to no end and always grease it regularly so I feel confident i can rule out the pivot being dry or tight. Could it be the switch itself in the joystick? a bad ground? a faulty solenoid?

Anything like this happen to anyone else? Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
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Re: 9650STS Unloading auger stalling..Help!

Will the auger swing in and out fully without stopping using the first detent? If it will then take it in and out and in then try the second detent for automatic. Sometimes the controller "forgets" where the auget position is and has to relearn it. If that doesn't work try extending the swin out time.
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Mate the rams #@%&ed! I used to carry a spare. It may seam like it's somewhere else because it works in places or at times. I had one that played up for a day or two and then was right again for a week. eventualy it exploaded. You can get a seal kit for them which is cheap but unless your a guru with hyd you'll need someone to change it. Try and get it repaired before it deystroys itself or bends as the new hyd parts are made in china and are inferior to the original parts.
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it willl swing in perfect using both the first and second indent
it will swing out part way using the 2nd indent
it will swing out all the way using the first indent but slows down for 2nd half of the way out..and sometimes jerks and will occasionally stall out
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I'm having pretty much the same problem on a 9560STS and havn't figured it out yet, but haven't tried to hard either. I've looked at the swing times and they are correct but it stops part way swinging out with second detent but will go all the way out with first detent. I would like to help you, but I kinda got the same problem. If you figure anything out let me know.

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