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Media has nothing to do with it, and trying to "discredit" anyone is a bad idea because they'll find a million lies to make you look like the bad guy.
Read my post again. Media has everything to do with it. They are the source of the bad info, and this applies to all areas of life!

Exposing their lies and discrediting the source is the only way to create independent thinkers. Expecting that you can be there with a farm tour and some tweets every time they get out-of-line is wishful thinking, you are vastly out-numbered!

The process is similar but the angle needs to change. Instead of trying to prove all farmers are great(which clearly is not true), you need to prove that much of what people are hearing from environmentalists/media/etc. is actually not accurate. Second point is way easier to prove. Once they learn that they are set to go.

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Twitter, Facebook, Instagram... whatever you want to pick on, can be used as a tool or a complete waste of time. It's the user that chooses which way to use it.
I have no significant use for any of the those (hardly know what Instgram is) but I completely agree with that statement.

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So you hate Facebook "with a passion" yet you've never used it.

That makes no sense.

I can understand that some people don't want to use these platforms for whatever reason, but to blindly hate it for no reason seems kind of ridiculous.

Oh well, to each their own.

I agree with with whoever said it can make people distance themselves from socializing in person, but at the same time it can bring you closer together if you're already worlds apart.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram... whatever you want to pick on, can be used as a tool or a complete waste of time. It's the user that chooses which way to use it.
When did I ever say I made sense?!

I've exposed myself slightly to facepage, enough to feel its a waste of my time. Same with twatter. Can't stand all the # and little birdy pics.

Hey though, you like it and find it useful, enjoy, more power to you. Just my opinion, and its not worth much.

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Read my post again. Media has everything to do with it. They are the source of the bad info, and this applies to all areas of life!

Exposing their lies and discrediting the source is the only way to create independent thinkers. Expecting that you can be there with a farm tour and some tweets every time they get out-of-line is wishful thinking, you are vastly out-numbered!

The process is similar but the angle needs to change. Instead of trying to prove all farmers are great(which clearly is not true), you need to prove that much of what people are hearing from environmentalists/media/etc. is actually not accurate. Second point is way easier to prove. Once they learn that they are set to go.

It's like this:

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

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Maybe you call Food Babe the media?

Dr. Oz? Is he part of the media?


This is the problem. It isn't media. It's person A spreading fud to person B. Hard to understand unless you are there.

Again, we have completely different viewpoints... Agree to disagree?
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Maybe you call Food Babe the media?

Dr. Oz? Is he part of the media?


This is the problem. It isn't media. It's person A spreading fud to person B. Hard to understand unless you are there.

Again, we have completely different viewpoints... Agree to disagree?
I think we are having a definition problem here. I define Dr. Oz and all the others like him as the media. Without them there is nothing.

I see where you are seeing it as the media being the canvas that Dr.Oz paints on, like TV/facebook/twitter.

I think they are inseparable. So we may actually agree here? Either way you, and everybody else, is entitled to their opinion. I just hope people realize that there is always way more to any story than you will ever see on the "media".
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Yes... I think so....

I think of media in the dictionary term...

The main means of mass communication (especially television, radio, newspapers, and the Internet) regarded collectively.

So by "media" I think CBC, CTV, Global... CNN, Fox, movies about GMO, etc.


In essence though, by your definition, aren't we part of the media also? Farm Babe is the mirror of Food Babe, for instance. We have the Peterson Bros.... Got to be careful, if we discredit all, we literally discredit ourselves. Ah the fun of marketing!


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In essence though, by your definition, aren't we part of the media also? Farm Babe is the mirror of Food Babe, for instance. We have the Peterson Bros.... Got to be careful, if we discredit all, we literally discredit ourselves. Ah the fun of marketing!
Yes we are the media.

If we cause people to not blindly follow a cause, but question it's motives, then as long as we have pure motives we should be fine. Most farmers I know are pretty reasonable people so that should shine through.

The problem with Twitter is what can you really learn in 140 characters, especially about somebody's motives? If everybody walked away from it instead of trying to "reason" with people on the other side then it would become one big echo chamber. It would die under it's own weight much like CNN and MSNBC are experiencing right now.

Again, I don't doubt that there is useful stuff in every aspect of the media, it's just that some formats make it harder to get the real goods on something. The discussion we are having now is good and this forum is a perfect format for that. Only thing better would be if we were face-to-face, which isn't always possible...

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Social media is here to stay as much as it does frustrate me sometimes it is going to be a necessary evil. If you want to fight the fight on misinformation about agriculture (which we all should) you have to go to the battle grounds! Meaning social media. Sure arguing on the internet can become an awful waste of time and a lot of times there is no wins. But how would someone in agriculture stand up for farmers? Fax? Snail mail? Meanwhile march against monsanto & food babe are reaching thousands of followers a day with social media. There is some great scientific based groups fighting to inform the public and they are all using Facebook, Twitter, etc to get the message across.

I get it if you don't feel like trolling FB for dash cams & cat videos but it does have other purposes.

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My comment was to point out..

The younger generation including myself, needs to turn down the noise so we can hear what's important
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Social media is here to stay as much as it does frustrate me sometimes it is going to be a necessary evil.

But how would someone in agriculture stand up for farmers?
Yeah the "walking away" comment was tongue-in-cheek. I doubt that would heppen, although I wouldn't be surprised if facebook or twitter eventually lose their appeal and society moves on to the next fad.

In post #10 I suggested taking it to the young people in the classroom. Get them before they have too many pre-determined opinions. Once they are in college they are probably lost for a bit until some maturity kicks in at 30+ years old. So maybe since that 20-something demographic tends to know-it-all, and they are the primary facebook users, maybe it is a waste of time??? For the 20-something's reading this I am making sweeping generalizations for the purpose of taking a very broad view of things here, don't be offended.

I also am not claiming to completely understand the dynamics of facebook because, as stated earlier, I am not part of it. It is useful though to periodically take a step backwards and evaluate how and why we do what we do. Maybe my comments here can stimulate that and be of some use to those people. My opinion could also be worth what you paid for it though...


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