I will give a shout to Trochu Motors on your overall dealership experience 712!
Readers should know 712 farms in a big crop, thick straw and with canola even up to 712ís chest (712 is very tall) area.
I have this theory that says the finer the straw exiting the more power and fuel it took to make it that way.
S series have a bigger diameter cylinder/rotor but the tip speed is likely the same with settings to allow proper threshing.
Did you have a feel for fuel use, especially when dropping straw, between the machines?
Imagine it just would be gut feel this far out.
The later the calendar the less loss monitor readings matter, the two pretty much read linearly, ha ha!
Thanks for the well thought out report 712!
Your Probably right on the power to grind up the straw Don. I think the fuel consumption was about the same on both of the Gleaners. The massey burn more fuel. 2-3 us gal per hour more.
Oh wait you mean this thread was titled please polish my Gleaner knob???...
Even 712 listed a pretty sickening list of grief on Gleaners last crack at getting some market back.
Iím not sure what machines heís running now but the lone Gleaner guy in our area had a new S series and has since gone to the Massey. I talk to him fairly frequently and have never thought to ask but I will now!
All the road shows in the world isnít bringing it back if itís not there.
Personally, the issues we had could have been solved if they would have brought the machine up to Canada to test it in some hard conditions. Long wet straw and wet ground conditions. It really seemed like they put together a ok machine, and put it on the market a year early. Had they sorted out the issues we had before we bought it, we probably would just now be thinking about trading it off or would have up graded last year, instead of after the second season.
Our dealer sells way more Massey than Gleaner, always have. I think they like it that way.
Well Joesixknob I wouldn't even know where to find a Lexion owner to ask around here. A Lexion dealer would go broke around here.
The problem with Gleaner is Agco do not push it, It's all about Massey for them here which they sell less of. I know how well Gleaner performs for me and how cheap it is to run year after year. The Likes of you putting **** on anything else which isn't Claas at every opportunity you can, but if anyone says anything against Claas you cry foul and carry on with your drivel.
I have tried many times not to reply to your comments but the likes of you are ruining this site with your crap
silverrod, I'm really surprised that Gleaners don't sell better in Australia. I have never been to your neck of the woods, but from the pictures I see and the general crop conditions that I hear about, I would think that they would be an ideal machine. I know ours loved it when the crop was dry, the temp was warm, and there was not a lot of straw, they'd go at it like a fat kid at an all you can eat buffet. If you were to put a stripper head on it, I would think it would be quite the machine. But I have never been to your area, so I could be completely off base.
Just left Fendt day at Pentagon Farm/Alberta Harvest Center, Miles and I cornered an Agco rep.
Gleaner to continue as usual.
Red Massey platform to slowly be phased out, 2/3 years kinda thing.
Ideal to be sold under Fendt in NA, Ideal 10 on the way.
Thus ends all of my knowledge on Agco combines marketing plan for NA.
Thats what I have heard as well. I also heard that Trochu might start bringing in the odd gleaner on there stock order until the Ideal proves it self. This could just be sales guy talk. In my opinion this Ideal combine is going to be the wild card in the field for the next couple of years, until it either proves to be a great machine or just a mediocre machine. Looking at the one they had at the Red Deer show last fall, all I could really tell is that there is a lot going on on that machine with drives and belts. Looks like limited access to the insides to service internal components. Also, with out really getting into it, it kind of looked like a pain in the rear to change any of the belts, and do any service work on. But thats just looking at it threw the sea of hutterites.
I would think that in the day and age of Amazon, and rapid delivery of products all over the world that the Ag guys could take a page out of there book and get parts shipped quicker. Working on the gleaner was easy and straight forward. Some of the maintenance could use a little better planning on the part of the AGCO engineers but I think the basic simplicity of the machines is why so many guys ran them for as long as they did.
I was wondering if you were heading up to that deal. I was planning on going but was dealing with truckers, who don't understand what a frigging clock is or how to use a phone to tell you their going to be hours late, so unfortunately I missed going up there. Interestingly enough Pentagon was listed as a Gleaner dealer on the Agco website, up until Agriterra purchased Kasha equipment. I don't think they sold one in years, but they could have still ordered you one. They are still listed as a Massey combine dealer. So being that they are a big Fendt dealer, did you ask, or do you think that they are going to sell the Ideal, or stick to Claas?