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thank you 460. my birth certificate says i will be 29 this year. frantkb must be about 135.

Ok frantkb, right back at ya you skim reading smart a**

Quote:BundyBear! Nobody said the JD 9xxx series wasn't electrical.

Quote: Deere was truly a "Johnny-come-lately not only in the rotary market, but the EM controlled, push-button market as well. You must also include the 00 Series [aka New Generation]

I simply pointed out that separator controls and most everything else were electrical when it is clearly stated above by the writer that they were not.


Quote:1: One you've been out of high school since 2003. The John Deere 9xxx series combine was introduced in the 1990's. You're talking to people who have been around these combines longer then you've collected a paycheck.

Quote:n 2001, 3 years after i graduated highschool

You can't read nor do maths. FYI my first harvest was in 96 and I bet I have had more to do with the 00 series than you have. FYI 2, my grandfather had several 95's and 105's and dad had 7700's and 7720's so this "kid" does know a little about the previous ones. Unfortunately I know nothing of when cat sold their rights to John Deere in the 30's sometime around when you would have got your second wind.


Quote:2: You are an employee of someone that owns a combine. What the heck do you know? I'm sure your boss has a different view of his combine and why it has 6000 hrs on it. You say it is pretty trouble free - what f*ck do you know? You didn't pay for the combine, and you haven't payed for any of the repairs to that combine, but somehow you're a judge of what a good combine is because YOUR boss' combine has 6000 hrs on it and YOU haven't have to pay a DIME repairing it.

This tells me so much about you and none of it is good. Firstly you obviously haven't spent much time on the forum. I own a 9660 STS and am a full time custom cutter. I was talking about a combine in 2001, when yes i did work for someone. however, considering I put most of 6000 hoursc on that combine and did all the repairs then i think its fair to say i have some idea. just because MY THEN boss signed a checkbook DOSEN"T mean he knew all and I knew nought. Something you might want to think about.


Quote: Your boss' machine has 6000 hrs on it. The reason your boss has 6000 hrs on his machine is probably in part because he can not justify buying a new machine

Again YOU did not READ properly. in 2001 THAT combine had 6000 hours on it. It was kept for so long because THE company that I WORKED for IN 2003, and had started with in 1996 kept a conventional combine for the purpose of customers who wanted to bale straw. YOU might know this if you had cared to ask.

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Quote:Well good. I've been told that I have a tendency to go too deep into an explanation.

No i would say you have a tendency to see what you want to on the page and ignore the rest. You sir, are an A grade idiot. I would say have a good day, but I don't mean it.

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Quote: in 2003 THAT combine had 6000 hours on it. It was kept for so long because THE company that I WORKED for IN 2003, and had started with in 1996 kept a conventional combine for the purpose of customers who wanted to bale straw

Sounds like the same reason we kept the last of our 850s far beyond what is normal for contractors. The combine had paid for itself years ago so it did not matter that it did not do huge hours anymore as it was kept for hay clients as rotaries chew up the straw in our climate.

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Hi ausfarmer.

yes it was, by 2003 the the last of the 50 STS's (he had 3) were spanking the 96 in the field but we couldn't bale behind them. It had long been paid for and one season actually made more than the big ones.
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Well bundybear, now we are a custom combiner and own our own 9660 STS. Good for you, Your grandpa would be proud. You put most of the 6000 hours on the combine and did all of the repairs. Well then, if you did all of the repairs you should be able to tell everyone here what was the hardest job you had repairing the combine.

Maybe I did miss-read your post. then again maybe your post is a little confusing:

In 2001, 3 years after i graduated highschool I worked for a guy who had a 9600 that had done 6000 separator hours and had been little trouble.

Maybe I did read it as 2003, instead of 2001, plus 3. That doesn't make be a co$ks$cker. It makes you a very poor writer. Also why would you expect everyone on the forum to know you? I don't expect everyone to know me. I've learned a lot about you to kid. That doesn't say much for you either.
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which repair would you like to know about?

In 2001, 3 years after i graduated highschool...... i dunno, it seems pretty clear to me.


Quote:That doesn't make be a co$ks$cker i said co$khead, though same difference

You can't fight your way out of this, you screwed up and came across like a real know it all idiot. If you want PM me and I can give you a whole list of numbers to call to verify...

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May I politely suggest that one or two posters on here back off both in their attitudes and language.

From the number of hits this thread has had in a very short time, it seems that there are a lot of operators and owners out there who are very interested in where the combine technology is heading and it's problems and future advances.
If you want your opinions to be read and respected by those many others who have had a look at this thread then respect must be earned by your politeness and the reasonableness of your comments and contributions if you want to be taken at all seriously.
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An opinion expressed on this thread and no doubt shared in some quarters is that [ my ] 2000 word epistles are not to some reader's liking.
And I can relate to that!
When I come across a boring or too long winded post that I am not really interested in I just move on and let them be without commenting.

Unfortunately there has also been some unnecessarily strong dissension on here about which of the older models of combines were mechanically operated or had the early electronically controlled push button systems in them.
Those developments are now all interesting but past history which both customers and manufacturers alike should try and learn from.

Let me also make it quite clear that I am all in favour of maximising the electronics and computer control of our modern combine harvesters and tractors.
I just simply and totally disagree with the manner and the way that the ag combine and tractor manufacturers are going about this.
They are increasing the complexity of the machines whereas computers used correctly are quite capable of greatly simplifying machines and their operating characteristics and significantly increasing the performance of those same machines.

One of the puzzles is the current trend to having multiples of circuit boards and on board computers in the new generation of combines and tractors.
Why can't and why don't the manufacturers just install one common standardised, interchangeable, volume production, reinforced and hardened circuit board / computer that suits agricultural conditions and that can be set up to run all the functions on the combines and tractors produced by a particular manufacturer?

Why the complication in the number of circuit boards, software, looms and sensors required to run multiple boards and computers?

After all, way back in the 1960's the American's had the most advanced computer technology in the world.
With it they did something that will one day be looked on with awe by future generations as a first, something that can never be repeated by mankind again.
For the very first time, the American nation, using the technology it had developed, blasted men into space to land on another world, the moon.
That technology was so good that it put men on the Moon 6 times and brought all of them home again to the safety of Mother Earth.
And those vital computers in the Apollo space craft had all the computing power of a standard cell phone of today!

Even the Space Shuttle still uses computers with all the power of the IBM 5150 of the 1980's and with only one meg of RAM.
The Russians had even less computer power in their Soyuz space craft but they still came close to beating the Americans to the Moon.

They made up for the lack of computer power by very efficiently machine coding their computers directly with the binary format programs instead of using a compiler to do the translation from the standard program formats we are used to looking at which are then translated into the machine language binary code that the actual computers need to operate.
Only a handful of gifted coders can do complex binary coding direct.
[ http://www.popsci.com.au/node/31716 ]

Now combines and tractors don't move very fast.
They don't have immense amounts of power that have to be very accurately controlled down to milliseconds.
The lives of their operators does not depend entirely on the correct functioning of those computers and etc.
So why are the combine and tractor manufacturers installing so computers in any one machine and which appear to be so apparently complex in operation and of so doubtful reliability and so costly?

A part of the answer to this question possibly lays in the componetisation of most combines and tractors.

The various major components in most combines and tractors, such as engines, variable speed gearboxes, clutch packs and PTO packs, Air cons, steering and guidance systems, hydraulic systems, some electronic monitoring and computing systems and software and many other and etc's, are often sourced from specialist companies that concentrate on the production of one type of component or a family of similar components.
Even within the major ag machinery production companies, there are divisions which specialise in a particular line of components.
And if a company does not have access to a particular required technology they will buy a license to use that technology on their particular product line.

To use engine manufacturers as an example;
The recent development of the fully electronicly controlled diesel engine using millisecond and variable timing control of the common rail type injection system needs very sophisticated computer control of it's functions plus of course the input of numerous other sensor inputs from the likes of turbine charger boost pressures, exhaust gas temps, numerous controls of the combustion process to meet the ever more stringent pollution requirements and etc.
The resulting program to control all of this is very closely held by the company who has put a lot of money into the research and experimentation to get the maximum out of their engine and they are not likely to give anything away on the engine computer control system if they can possibly help it.

So a dedicated engine control computer board and software is obviously an individual item and the engine company will not allow it's secret software to be put in jeopardy by allowing it to be loaded onto a common to all computer.

Now repeat this attitude and the company's requirements for maintaining the propriety rights over the software [ or even a company's own internal divisions ] that run so many systems in the modern combines and tractors such as the computer controlled variable speed gearboxes, steering and guidance systems, PTO clutch packs, some sophisticated hydraulic systems and three point linkage systems and etc and you can soon see how the number of discrete, dedicated software / computer systems and closed propriety computer systems can multiply in a combine and tractor.

We are still at an early stage in the development of the fully computer controlled combine and tractors and sooner or later a system like the international ISOBUS standards system will come up with protocols that will allow the loading of the various software needs of a machine onto a common heavy duty computer board but still provide discrete and very tight isolation of the propriety owned parts of those individual programs.

If common sense eventually prevails and the ag machinery manufacturers recognise the current problems and start to move towards such a single common circuit board and software system then we will really see just how much electronics can do to make farming much easier again and to increase productivity significantly in even small machines.
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This is your thread and a subject you and other would like to discuss.. I agree to your request.
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Thankyou.
This thread is for anybody to contribute too and any thoughtful contributions, comments and questions, I am sure, will be welcomed by all readers
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I'm still waiting on your PM, too, Frantbk.

I told you how I will go more into detail as I have with others, so you can stop the nit-picking for the details on here.







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