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There was a photo of a MAN engine in a narrow body machine so it could be a MAN in the larger machines also. The Fendt Ideal 10 has 16.2l MAN engine with 790hp so it’s quite likely the largest Lexion will be of similar hp
 

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I’m sure MTU owns Mercedes. It was the MTU guys that came over to monitor and fix the engine in our combine.
Must be.
The engine description of my 780 spec:

MD_P02_0772 Mercedes-Benz OM473 LA - 460 kW/626 hp (T4)

That OM473 LA is the same as arcuses MTU site
 

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I’m sure MTU owns Mercedes. It was the MTU guys that came over to monitor and fix the engine in our combine.
I think you’re right


Appears as though there are/was 2 MTU corps (similar to there being 2 Merck companies in pharma). And that Merc acquired the Diesel engine side of things.
“...the high-speed Mercedes, Maybach and MAN diesel engines, all of which were to carry the MTU name in the future, were built in Friedrichshafen. The association between the two companies continued until 1995 when MTU München transferred its shares in MTU Friedrichshafen to Daimler-Benz.”

https://www.mtu-report.com/Company/History-MTU/What-does-the-T-in-MTU-stand-for

This article would indicate that MTU and Merc are interchangeable https://www.forktrucktraders.co.uk/news/hyster-chooses-mercedes-benz-mtu-engines-for-stage-v-big-trucks-in-europe/
 

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But a MAN engine is a different company?
So confusing!
Yeah I know, I tried, but now not sure if it helped.

With all the mergers, de-mergers, joint-ventures, selling and repurchasing of assets it becomes difficult to track and the ownership relationships start to look like a hillbilly’s family tree...
 

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Yeah I know, I tried, but now not sure if it helped.

With all the mergers, de-mergers, joint-ventures, selling and repurchasing of assets it becomes difficult to track and the ownership relationships start to look like a hillbilly’s family tree...

Thats true!
I also wasn't aware that there have been so many changes. And I didn't know it currently belongs to RollsRoyce Power Systems.


And indeed, it seems that the OM473 LA seems to be the same just with a Mercedes label or a MTU lable (except for those 18hp)
On the other hand they wouldn't make such a big deal out of the swtich to MTU if they just kept the same engine.


I also wasn't aware of the IDEAL 10 announcement - reading this it's clear there will be new MTU engines. Maybe Claas also get's some of them. But in the past Claas never defined the best combine or forage harvester by highest hp. Just look at the situation with Jaguar and Krone Big X. And also in the Combine market...several competitors offer more hp.
A good design is also defined by the fact that is efficient and doesn't need more hp to do the job.


I think we will see more than 626 hp but we will not see 790 hp in the top model.
 

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I was wrong again. Agco Ideal has a MAN Engine. One Website said it's a MTU aswell. So if MTU doesn't announce something new, we will likely stay at 644hp?
There are mit man engines in thier Portfolio which reach reach the tier5 regulations...
 

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"History
MTU America Inc. is the regional headquarters of Rolls-Royce Power Systems. As a technological leader in off-highway power and propulsion systems, we are responsible for the manufacture, sales and service of MTU and MTU Onsite Energy products throughout the United States, Canada, Mexico, Latin America and the Caribbean.

MTU America's core products — MTU diesel engines and MTU Onsite Energy distributed energy systems — can be found in a broad range of applications — from mine haul trucks, military vehicles and marine vessels to hospitals, data centers and universities. With our passion for performance and reliability, MTU offers first-class service and a tradition of excellence to customers all over the world.

We're leading the way in green technology as well. We're committed to environmental stewardship by making a difference in clean air technology and building a sustainable future. Our entire product lineup is engineered today to meet the emissions regulations of tomorrow.

For more than 100 years, the key to our success has been cutting-edge innovation. Our strong heritage in the diesel engine business includes not only Germany's MTU, but also North America's Detroit Diesel - two brands which dominated diesel engine engineering, innovation and manufacturing on their respective continents for most of the 20th Century. Today, MTU America encompasses facilities in eight states and is responsible for engineering, manufacturing, sales and service of diesel engines and systems throughout North and South America." Copied from MTU site

Lets just throw Rolls Royce into the inbreeding mix too! MTU is a name I hear but have not actually come across one in real life. They are quite common in the world of large marine applications, large construction equipment, power generation, and fill a space in the over 1000 hp size I think. Maybe comparable to Cat's line of C27 and C32 V12, 16 and 20 cylinder engines and also the bigger series of 3500 V8, 12, 16 and 20 engines. So our farm equipment is getting close to that size range! These engines are a whole different level of long life design and with scheduled maintenance and a half life tuneup should reach 30,000 hours with no surprises. I recently saw a 3508 in genset application with 83,000 hours on it and still going.
 

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Is the 1600 a possible engine? V8 or V10.
I know some on this forum don't have any love for Cat power, but I think a proven industrial engine like this C27 would make sense in North American farm equipment. 800 HP at 1800 rpm with 100% duty cycle. 2700 ft/lbs at 1400. And the power and torque go up sharply at the 80% and 50% duty cycle ratings. I recently saw one and talked to a tech doing a midlife tune up at 18,000 hours. He was changing some injectors and putting in new cam shafts to make it reliable for the next half of its life. This is Cats real strength in engines. A totally different line than than the throw away 3116, 3126, C7, C9 and Perkapillar lines they have sold to compete in a low end market.
 

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I know Only Don on this forum don't have any love for Cat power, but I think a proven industrial engine like this C27 would make sense in North American farm equipment. 800 HP at 1800 rpm with 100% duty cycle. 2700 ft/lbs at 1400. And the power and torque go up sharply at the 80% and 50% duty cycle ratings. I recently saw one and talked to a tech doing a midlife tune up at 18,000 hours. He was changing some injectors and putting in new cam shafts to make it reliable for the next half of its life. This is Cats real strength in engines. A totally different line than than the throw away 3116, 3126, C7, C9 and Perkapillar lines they have sold to compete in a low end market.
Fixed it!

And I think I could shoe horn that into a challenger tractor!
 

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Fixed it!

And I think I could shoe horn that into a challenger tractor!
I have no doubt you could do it!! But it is pretty big. And weighs 6600 pounds and holds 40 gallons of fluids. But that just replaces the 4500 pound suitcase on the nose. I feel it would be an advantage having a really common North American engine for parts and service just like it has always been running Cummins and Cat in all the successful component tractors from the last 40-50 years.

I really wish Don would have the opportunity to own and run one of these in a new series Lexion so he could get the bad taste of that 3126 out of his mouth! ;)
 

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I just heard a list of the changes and Claas has been listening. Sounds well worth a model change. For starters there is an ejector rod on the stone trap! :biggrin:
 
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