2188 vs 9600
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Depends what your definition of capacity is.
Both machines the clean grain is maxed out around 3000 bph. Cleaning area is similar, I think the 9600 has a slightly bigger chaffer. Horsepower about the same. As far as mowing it down I think the 9600 would have a slight edge cause of the simple fact that it takes more horsepower to run a rotor. But I won't get into what happens when you start to push each machine...
I know which combine I'd rater have
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Both machines the clean grain is maxed out around 3000 bph. Cleaning area is similar, I think the 9600 has a slightly bigger chaffer. Horsepower about the same. As far as mowing it down I think the 9600 would have a slight edge cause of the simple fact that it takes more horsepower to run a rotor. But I won't get into what happens when you start to push each machine...
I know which combine I'd rater have
Capcity's as I remember them.
Corn = SAME
Soybeans = SAME
We ran 9600's till the 2188's were a couple years out. We traded for 9600's cuz they were cheaper, ran one 9600 along side a 1688 for years, then traded the 9600 and 1688 in for two new 9600's. A few years after the 2188, we traded both 9600's in for 2188's.
Personal preferece for me is the 88's. It's a simpler machine, lighter, easier to manuver, with the same capacity's as the 9600.
Wheat might be another issue, and I know nuthin about it.
Corn = SAME
Soybeans = SAME
We ran 9600's till the 2188's were a couple years out. We traded for 9600's cuz they were cheaper, ran one 9600 along side a 1688 for years, then traded the 9600 and 1688 in for two new 9600's. A few years after the 2188, we traded both 9600's in for 2188's.
Personal preferece for me is the 88's. It's a simpler machine, lighter, easier to manuver, with the same capacity's as the 9600.
Wheat might be another issue, and I know nuthin about it.
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Quote:Connor.....how old are you ??
Based on his post, I think he's under 16, or just doesn't know how to set a combine up correct, combines will do good if you set them up correctly.
Based on his post, I think he's under 16, or just doesn't know how to set a combine up correct, combines will do good if you set them up correctly.
I have never run a 2188 with a 9600, however this summer I ran a 2188 in the same field with a R70 (orange stripe). We where picking up sping wheat that had been swathed a few days earlier, both machines where giving a clean sample and both machines where being run at capacity. The 2188 suprised me, as it had a slight edge (very slight) over the R70, especially in the weedy areas. The swath was 25ft, and the wheat was running about 40 bpa. I only spent a few hours running the 2188, but it was much nicer to run and had much more capacity than our old 1480. About 8 years ago I ran our old R60 with a 9600 in soybeans, the 24 ft JD flex head on the 9600 cut better than our 24 ft Gleaner head, and the 9600 had more capacity in the evenings and into the night, however the R60 could keep up in the less tough afternoons as long as the beans cut good. The IH Axial Flows have always been my favorite combine, simple to operate and easy to maintain, but the 9600 doesn't look too bad either.
Keep in mind guys I have been off the farm for about 14 yrs so my recent experience is very limited.
John
Keep in mind guys I have been off the farm for about 14 yrs so my recent experience is very limited.
John
Sorry to say guys I'm 32 years old. And I know how to set a combine up. While I have been complaining about the performance of my Deere, such as the poor bin sample and overthrown grain in this case, I will say that these are within reasonable limits. I can see how I may have been misunderstood there, it's not like it's throwing piles out the back or the bin is absolutely full of trash. But compared to other combines we've had it just doesn't do quite as well. I can get a pretty good bin sample and the grain thrown back on the ground is at an acceptable level. But even with constant tinkering and adjusting things we still just can't get quite as good of performance in these ares as we have with past, Red and Silver, combines.
And the reason for buying this combine was because of legendary status that everyone had them built up to be when the STS came out. I'm just sorry to report that it hasn't lived up to this legendary, almost god like, status nor has it lived up to any of my expectations. And upon taking a closer look at the neighbors who have STS's the performance of theirs aren't any better. They have the same porblems that I do, and while they are within acceptable limits, they still have these problems. But these guys won't admit it because there's nothing thats better than a Deere right.
The fact that I just can't get quite the level of performance out of this combine compared to the others, as well as all the other headaches I've had with it in breakdowns and worn out parts, is the reason why I speak so negatively about the almighty John Deere combine.
So I apologize for bashing my own combine here in the Case forums and sticking up for the Case here on this thread.
And the reason for buying this combine was because of legendary status that everyone had them built up to be when the STS came out. I'm just sorry to report that it hasn't lived up to this legendary, almost god like, status nor has it lived up to any of my expectations. And upon taking a closer look at the neighbors who have STS's the performance of theirs aren't any better. They have the same porblems that I do, and while they are within acceptable limits, they still have these problems. But these guys won't admit it because there's nothing thats better than a Deere right.
The fact that I just can't get quite the level of performance out of this combine compared to the others, as well as all the other headaches I've had with it in breakdowns and worn out parts, is the reason why I speak so negatively about the almighty John Deere combine.
So I apologize for bashing my own combine here in the Case forums and sticking up for the Case here on this thread.
Quote:It's nice to hear somebody else say it b575. These people that are green to the bone and have never run anything else, but will still call all the rest junk, really pi** me off. I've been hearing it my whole life. While I 'll admit that Deere has good products and well as a huge dealers network, these people just need to realize the Deeres maybe aren't as good as they think.
What model of Lexion do you run? I demoed a 560R two seasons ago and that was one heck of a machine. They are very nice combines and did a much better job than our Deere. We've been thinking about selling ours and leasing a Lexion. I liked what I saw on them but didn't get a real good chance to get very familiar with it in the day and a half I had it. Any weak points in them? Strong points?
I first found harvest boards on the web about 3 years ago. Some of my first postings were very similar to yours.........After time, and Im not saying your wrong in posting the way ya do, but after time goes by, ya realize things kinda weed themselves out, or it just aint worth my time arguing with a bleeder of any color.
The truth is out there, there is just allot of garbage in the way to get it.
As far as lexions go, I beleive if ya click on my handle, you can go back and read many of my posts. We run a 575 and a 2388, both are great combines, so are 9600's (i just don't like em, but they do the job). Were pricing a 585, not sure if it'll be a go, will have to see. We are happy with it, it took some getting use too, IMO, a full harvest is just getting comfortable with a new machine. When we got into lexion, there was no combine IMO ready for a 12-30 corn head (machines were running em, but just slower), now it seems others are CATching up.
Deere salesman was out yesterday trying to trade Kitty in, dad said, for WHAT? Salesman said "for a good combine", reply was "thats the plan, so what can I help you with today?"
I don't like to give advise on posting in these forums, but from a guy who's been in your shoes, and feels the similar to the way you do, its just not worth trying to convince someone their machine is junk, even though yours is and ya know better.
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What model of Lexion do you run? I demoed a 560R two seasons ago and that was one heck of a machine. They are very nice combines and did a much better job than our Deere. We've been thinking about selling ours and leasing a Lexion. I liked what I saw on them but didn't get a real good chance to get very familiar with it in the day and a half I had it. Any weak points in them? Strong points?
I first found harvest boards on the web about 3 years ago. Some of my first postings were very similar to yours.........After time, and Im not saying your wrong in posting the way ya do, but after time goes by, ya realize things kinda weed themselves out, or it just aint worth my time arguing with a bleeder of any color.
The truth is out there, there is just allot of garbage in the way to get it.
As far as lexions go, I beleive if ya click on my handle, you can go back and read many of my posts. We run a 575 and a 2388, both are great combines, so are 9600's (i just don't like em, but they do the job). Were pricing a 585, not sure if it'll be a go, will have to see. We are happy with it, it took some getting use too, IMO, a full harvest is just getting comfortable with a new machine. When we got into lexion, there was no combine IMO ready for a 12-30 corn head (machines were running em, but just slower), now it seems others are CATching up.
Deere salesman was out yesterday trying to trade Kitty in, dad said, for WHAT? Salesman said "for a good combine", reply was "thats the plan, so what can I help you with today?"
I don't like to give advise on posting in these forums, but from a guy who's been in your shoes, and feels the similar to the way you do, its just not worth trying to convince someone their machine is junk, even though yours is and ya know better.
Quote:Sorry to say guys I'm 32 years old.
Connor, quit lying about your age. You are 28, NOT 32! You have only shown hate and contempt for this John Deere combine of "yours," too. Nobody just keeps a combine they do not like. Now, just tell us where you his it's body--and we can give him a proper burial as well as all your anti Deere slamming.
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Connor, quit lying about your age. You are 28, NOT 32! You have only shown hate and contempt for this John Deere combine of "yours," too. Nobody just keeps a combine they do not like. Now, just tell us where you his it's body--and we can give him a proper burial as well as all your anti Deere slamming.
Well Conner,
You and I are the same age. I don't have a problem with ya bashing your own combine, I even agree totally with everything you've stated in this last post.
We went green back in 1989. The creature comforts of a 9600 were hands down better than the 1688 we ran next to it for years. We traded the 1688 in for another 9600 because deere was actually cheaper than red. Then after a couple years of 2188's being out, we went back to red.
You wouldn't beleive how many neighbors asked "why would you do that"? And stated "why would you want to go back to bad resale, and less capacity?" These guys were 100% serious, and wore green undies so tight they talk with pubescent voices
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At that time, in my life, I realized something. What I realized is, most guys will talk out their behind to make their business decision seem right, weather they know it or don't, its what daddy did, so why would they change, or try something different, or for reality's sake, RESEARCH something different so they might have a clue.
Im a Leixion lover, but If that crazy Illinois fella over on the deere page can get me 8010's for 55 bucks a separator hour, Im parking the lexion for a year and starting an 8010 harvest crue, ya want a job?
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Sorry your STS isn't fittin the bill. My 9860 ride allong left me un-impressed. Cab and features are up to snuff, but like you said, throwing stuff out the back, and samples are acceptable, but not on my farm. Guys here can tell ya "its the operator", Ill tell ya the operator has owned over 12 green combines in the last 20 years. He and his support are good operators, and more importantly, good people. He did go and ride in an 8010 this past harvest. If a red combine was on his yard next year, sumbody's will be rolling in the grave!
You and I are the same age. I don't have a problem with ya bashing your own combine, I even agree totally with everything you've stated in this last post.
We went green back in 1989. The creature comforts of a 9600 were hands down better than the 1688 we ran next to it for years. We traded the 1688 in for another 9600 because deere was actually cheaper than red. Then after a couple years of 2188's being out, we went back to red.
You wouldn't beleive how many neighbors asked "why would you do that"? And stated "why would you want to go back to bad resale, and less capacity?" These guys were 100% serious, and wore green undies so tight they talk with pubescent voices
At that time, in my life, I realized something. What I realized is, most guys will talk out their behind to make their business decision seem right, weather they know it or don't, its what daddy did, so why would they change, or try something different, or for reality's sake, RESEARCH something different so they might have a clue.
Im a Leixion lover, but If that crazy Illinois fella over on the deere page can get me 8010's for 55 bucks a separator hour, Im parking the lexion for a year and starting an 8010 harvest crue, ya want a job?
Sorry your STS isn't fittin the bill. My 9860 ride allong left me un-impressed. Cab and features are up to snuff, but like you said, throwing stuff out the back, and samples are acceptable, but not on my farm. Guys here can tell ya "its the operator", Ill tell ya the operator has owned over 12 green combines in the last 20 years. He and his support are good operators, and more importantly, good people. He did go and ride in an 8010 this past harvest. If a red combine was on his yard next year, sumbody's will be rolling in the grave!
It's nice to hear somebody else say it b575. These people that are green to the bone and have never run anything else, but will still call all the rest junk, really pi** me off. I've been hearing it my whole life. While I 'll admit that Deere has good products and well as a huge dealers network, these people just need to realize the Deeres maybe aren't as good as they think.
What model of Lexion do you run? I demoed a 560R two seasons ago and that was one heck of a machine. They are very nice combines and did a much better job than our Deere. We've been thinking about selling ours and leasing a Lexion. I liked what I saw on them but didn't get a real good chance to get very familiar with it in the day and a half I had it. Any weak points in them? Strong points?
What model of Lexion do you run? I demoed a 560R two seasons ago and that was one heck of a machine. They are very nice combines and did a much better job than our Deere. We've been thinking about selling ours and leasing a Lexion. I liked what I saw on them but didn't get a real good chance to get very familiar with it in the day and a half I had it. Any weak points in them? Strong points?
One again I am 32, I must have marked the wrong year when I signed up, honest mistake.
As for nobody keeping a combine that they don't like, I have to for another season or two. While I got myself into this machine that i don't like I can't jusify getting rid of it right away otherwise I would have, I'm not one of those guys who can pull off trading combines every year. I'm sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat.
As for nobody keeping a combine that they don't like, I have to for another season or two. While I got myself into this machine that i don't like I can't jusify getting rid of it right away otherwise I would have, I'm not one of those guys who can pull off trading combines every year. I'm sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat.
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HEY B575 thanks for finally being honest........
these last two post are probably the best ive seen from you.
Also i got that 8010 for that price for you.
i'll message you my address..send me the check and i'll send it.
Hope all is well with you.
also sorry im not giving you any crap for once..i'll make it up to you later
these last two post are probably the best ive seen from you.
Also i got that 8010 for that price for you.
i'll message you my address..send me the check and i'll send it.
Hope all is well with you.
also sorry im not giving you any crap for once..i'll make it up to you later
Ken, I told you already, why your question was deleted because it was off-topic and aimed only at Connor, whose Deere-bashing post was also removed for being just that--rude, senseless bashing, without any backup. I took it off--and only the two that related to that. No further need to ask here--but since you did, now everyone knows that you jumped right into it too.
As for the rest of Connor's remarks, negative as they seem, he's given some backup to his dislike of the John Deere combines, as well as his own. He's not strayed as off-topic, but from now on--this is about comparing a 2188 to a 9600, not Connor's STS or other models.
Just keep it on-topic and no more brand bashing!
As for the rest of Connor's remarks, negative as they seem, he's given some backup to his dislike of the John Deere combines, as well as his own. He's not strayed as off-topic, but from now on--this is about comparing a 2188 to a 9600, not Connor's STS or other models.
Just keep it on-topic and no more brand bashing!
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Also don't take mine wrong...i like picking on b575. so its all in good fun.
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Also im lost... does a 9610 have as much capacity as a 2188????
i was always under the impression they were smaller??
thanks
i was always under the impression they were smaller??
thanks
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