[puddles]

Hi All, this is my first post.

We have run caseih for along time 914 to 1682 to 1680 and we are now looking at upgrading to a 2388 or older 8010, or possibly a 9750sts deere. For the life of me I have not been able to find a listing of what options/updates, were standard on various years of 2388 and 8010s. Every couple of years they seemed to add or changed something to the 2388s but I am not sure and since we are looking at 2388 from 2000 ~ 2005 it would be nice to now what items were changed. Also on the 8010 I have heard that the capacity is great but the combine sits waiting to be fixed more than the time spent combining, particularly with the older models, any comments would be appreciated especially upgrades applicable to each year. (fyi, we are in sask canada and harvest mainly wheat, canola, and peas)

 

[casefarmer]

Well in 2003 you get the afx rotor (a must) and there were some changes.. but the seperator belt seemed to need to be changed on that year and on up to 05's... they finally got that fixed so there are some minor updates on that part of the machine

besides that there's not really been alot of change

the last year 2388 and 2588 are the same machine.. both have a lil more HP and a different fuel system.. i can help you get a chip for it too.. if your interested...

i guess you could turn it up 15 percent and call it a class 8 combine

I would have your yield monitor upgraded to the newest software..

The yield monitors work great..and make sure you get the desktop software with it..

8010's are all over the road. either work great and like there supposed to or a mess.

Seems like its starting to be more good stories than bad.

Just make sure it has alllll of the updates.

 

[farmertony]

any 8010 with the case Ih certification sticker I would not be afraid of all the older models have been updated to 07 specs 03 04 AND 05 will have the older style cone and cage. mine has work flawless this fall except my fan speed which worked itself out. 8010's rock

 

[jvacek02]

There is a kifference between 2388 and 2588 which would be significant drive train changes. I would not chip the machine because i have seen chips cause more damage than good. Even though the engine is chipped the engine software will fight it. It has the possibility to slowly change your injector timing. Any of the 8010s newer than 07 i would definately make sure they are updated. All 07 machines are ready to rock and roll. Some minor adjustments and they will pass the Deere and have a cleaner sample. Your local combine tech knows exactally what i mean.

 

[puddles]

couple of comments

1) I was under the impression that from 2000 to current there was more than the afx rotor change in the 2388s, am I incorrect?
2)As for the local service rep being able to help with the 8010s that is not the case, my neighbour purchased a low hour 05 machine this year, and the dealer said they had never sold or serviced one, and were no help. To get help he needed to phone a dealer 6 hours away to get any service info. Also in his frist year, he blew a hydraulic pump, as well as his hydro. He also had significant problems with feeding. is Case performing all the updates free, or are there significant charges.

Comments??

 

[casefarmer]

Sorry i should have said The 2006 2388 and the 2007 2588 are the exact same...

in 2006 they added some HP i think and they seem to be a lil different on the hydro.. or maybe it just has more power so it moves a lil faster..

Also if your not going to have any help on any certain combine you might want to rethink it..

 

[jalopy]

01 hydraulic reverser and big plastic fuel tank
02 or 03 side screen and idler pulley separator engagement instead of PTO clutch pack

03 afx rotor

Summer 04 East Moline plant closed, but the last ones were called 05's?

I don't know when Grand Island 2388 production started but the first ones of them were called 05s too, and still had mechanical injection pumps

06 electronic engines

Some things I'm not sure on- external chopper adjustment, different rock trap dump, backwards left-hand bed auger, cast shaker arm supports

help me out

 

[mx270a]

We have a 2002 that has the external chopper adjustment.

-Lance

 

[mx270a]

http://www.hoober.com/ag/axial_flow_history.asp

I think this is the most complete list I've ever seen.

-Lance

 

[puddles]

That list is great Lance, now the question is what upgrades were critical. there are a fair few people around here running 2388s and they are regularly changing rotor belts (2000 acre small grain farm) changing between 3 and 5 belts per year. (Its almost to the point where they have competitions to see who has been able to change the belts the fastest because they change so many each year), service people say that they are not sure why, but given that it is not just one combine, but rather 3 different combines, and I think the years range from 03-05 (not positive) I have concerns. We have a 1680 and farm similar acres and have only had to change one rotor belt in three years. This year one of the guys got so fed up he has now sold his 2388 and went to a 9760, indicating he has had it with case, and this guy has a pretty solid case supporter. (any thoughts)

 

[cowgirlchaser]

Quote:http://www.hoober.com/ag/axial_flow_history.asp

I think this is the most complete list I've ever seen.

-Lance

Thats funny that my dealer is the only one with that list....

...I must be pretty lucky. They are good guys..

 

[cowgirlchaser]

Quote:That list is great Lance, now the question is what upgrades were critical. there are a fair few people around here running 2388s and they are regularly changing rotor belts (2000 acre small grain farm) changing between 3 and 5 belts per year. (Its almost to the point where they have competitions to see who has been able to change the belts the fastest because they change so many each year), service people say that they are not sure why, but given that it is not just one combine, but rather 3 different combines, and I think the years range from 03-05 (not positive) I have concerns. We have a 1680 and farm similar acres and have only had to change one rotor belt in three years. This year one of the guys got so fed up he has now sold his 2388 and went to a 9760, indicating he has had it with case, and this guy has a pretty solid case supporter. (any thoughts)


On our old 97 2188 we installed the 500# spring in the rotor tensioner, turned it up 50 hp, and added the hydro reverser. they were the 3 biggest improvements we did. When our dealer(Hoober) got it on trade they completely went over it and installed a new cone and AFX Rotor. I can't imagine what a beast it is now. Anyway the 500# return spring saved my but alot. It kept the belt from slipping when a slug went through it. However it was hard on belts. We replaced them once a year.


Quote:Posted by casefarmer on Yesterday at 7:45pm
Well in 2003 you get the afx rotor (a must) and there were some changes.. but the seperator belt seemed to need to be changed on that year and on up to 05's... they finally got that fixed so there are some minor updates on that part of the machine

besides that there's not really been alot of change

the last year 2388 and 2588 are the same machine.. both have a lil more HP and a different fuel system.. i can help you get a chip for it too.. if your interested...

i guess you could turn it up 15 percent and call it a class 8 combine

I would have your yield monitor upgraded to the newest software..

The yield monitors work great..and make sure you get the desktop software with it..

8010's are all over the road. either work great and like there supposed to or a mess.

Seems like its starting to be more good stories than bad.

Just make sure it has alllll of the updates.



My boxes(chips) will add up to 30% increase. They have a 3 pos selectable switch stock, 15%, 30%. They will help alot,but it won't turn it into a 8010.....

...... Power only goes so far then you hit your next limiting factor.....elevators and cleaning system......

.....We have had good luck with our 8010 just some little stuff. The dealer has stood behind it though. I agree make sure you have a good dealer if you buy a 70/8010. Even though they are running pretty good now it never hurts to have someone to at least talk to to help diagnose the problem. We fix almost everything ourselves, but you sometimes need some advice.

 

[mx270a]

I seem to recall from my sources that the 03 machines liked to eat rotor belts, it was a little better in 04, and better yet in 05. I think things were almost perfect in 06 and 07. Also, I think case changed something in the last year or two where the rotor pulleys are now larger, thus there is less torque on the belts. I could be wrong on that though.

In 2004, I was eating rotor belts up at an average of one per day when cutting canola, but that was a nasty tough crop. The only time we blow up rotor belts here at home (corn and soybeans) is when the belt gets so old that the rubber cracks and just wears out. We had one rotor belt last year that started slipping because it was so old and dry. We just don't stress them enough for it to be an issue.

Hoober's list is awesome. I'm curious when it will include the 2007 stuff though. I don't know why Case Corporate doesn't have something like this on their site. I'd also like to see a detailed list of the 8010 updates somewhere. I'd be glad to host it on my site if someone has the information.

-Lance

 

[cowgirlchaser]

Quote:I seem to recall from my sources that the 03 machines liked to eat rotor belts, it was a little better in 04, and better yet in 05. I think things were almost perfect in 06 and 07. Also, I think case changed something in the last year or two where the rotor pulleys are now larger, thus there is less torque on the belts. I could be wrong on that though.

In 2004, I was eating rotor belts up at an average of one per day when cutting canola, but that was a nasty tough crop. The only time we blow up rotor belts here at home (corn and soybeans) is when the belt gets so old that the rubber cracks and just wears out. We had one rotor belt last year that started slipping because it was so old and dry. We just don't stress them enough for it to be an issue.

Hoober's list is awesome. I'm curious when it will include the 2007 stuff though. I don't know why Case Corporate doesn't have something like this on their site. I'd also like to see a detailed list of the 8010 updates somewhere. I'd be glad to host it on my site if someone has the information.

-Lance

Lance I'm working on getting a history of 8010 updates for my knowledge, as well as a history on my 8010. So if I get the info I'll pass it along.

 

[casefarmer]

Don't you guys mean seperator belts?

We had issues with them and theyve made updates after 03 for them.

Usually rotor belts is operators error.

just curious...

 

[puddles]

casefarmer, here it is definetly the rotor belts. Lance made an interesting comment about the canola. Where we farm I would say the average farm is about 30-40% canola so that may be causing some of the problem, but it appears to be related to the combines as well because we grow between 500 and 1000 acres of canola a year and this is the first belt we have changed in 3 years on our 1680, might be a combination of the rotor pulley design, extra hp in the larger combines, and a lack of operator care?? It is a little concerning because we are looking at upgrading, and I really do not have a big desire to move to a combine where I am going to be changing rotor belts that often, unless they have improved the design so that the changeover is significantly quicker and easier than on the 1680s (but it also becomes a cost issue because rotor belts are not cheap).

Big A if you do get a list for 8010's I would be interested in seeing it as well.

 

[cowgirlchaser]

Quote:Don't you guys mean seperator belts?

We had issues with them and theyve made updates after 03 for them.

Usually rotor belts is operators error.

just curious...

No I mean Rotor belts. We only replaced the seperator belt 2-3 times in 10 years on our 2188.

 

[jalopy]

I have a 96 2188 and I've let the smoke out of my rotor belt several times in high temp on the wheat harvest... usually happens around 3pm in the heat of the day when you're really pushing it. Its got a Good Year belt on it, it has just "spun out" but never blown yet. I have an old spare tied up around the drive shaft for a quick change out.

So yeah I'm looking in to updating my torque sensing pulley this winter, might possibly try a whole new pulley I see they have them listed in the kit catalogue. But on the 00 and 01 models we had the same trouble... The 06 models never bothered and they had the bigger pulleys.

Yes I will admit that I'm disappointed in Case engineering in that it took them 30 years to get the rotor belt/pulley problem figured out...

I give the pulley 10 pumps every morning is that too much or too little? One guy I was working with had a theory that we were greasing them too much and when the grease would get hot it would get up on the pulley surface causing the belt to slip

 

[cowgirlchaser]

When you update the torque sensing unit get the highest pound spring you can, I think it is 500#. It will make a big difference. I used to grease the 3 zerks on the torque sensing unit with 3-4 pumps each day. Also don't forget to grease the 2 bearings on the rotor speed adjustment daily. Had one go out and ever since I started greasing them everyday they never went out again. One last thing make sure your using a good grease. Case grease is junk. We use grease made by Lubrication Engineers of Texas. Castrol Pyroplex Blue is some good stuff too.

 

[casefarmer]

Case Grease is junk?

i guess i kinda see grease as grease...

I give both combines 3 shots of grease on all 3 zerks on the rotor..

i usually give everything 3 shots for that matter