I think originally the 8010 was supposed to do 20% more than a 2388 at that time. 7010 was supposed to be around 10% more but wasn't and that is why they didn't introduce it as early. I think you will see the most difference when the larger feeder house opening allows better feeding. In corn the 7010 may not do a lot more.
Thats what I had heard, with the perfromance upgrades that they had made to the 2388's the case guys weren't getting the performance out of the 7010 when they were testing. There is suppost to be a 20% increase between each class, so a 7010 should do approximatly 20% more than the 2588.
Thats what I had heard, with the performance upgrades that they had made to the 2388's the case guys weren't getting the performance out of the 7010 when they were testing. There is supposed to be a 20% increase between each class, so a 7010 should do approximately 20% more than the 2588.
When you're talking performance, usually that means driving as fast as the machine will go and still do a good job. There are several areas of the machine that can be limiting factors. (Sickle bar, feeder house, rotor, sieves, clean grain elevator, engine HP, etc) Depending on which area you're reaching capacity at will determine the performance difference between two machines.
The 88 series machines run almost completely on belts, while the x010s used a lot of hydraulics. I don't know any official numbers, but I believe the belts are going to be able to transfer power with less energy loss than hydraulics. Thus if you're reaching the engine HP limit before anything else, the 2588 might about be able to hang with a 7010.
I traded my 2004 2388 for a new 7010 and I am very pleased with the 7010. It's hard for me to compare capacity because I went from a 25' 1020 to a 35' FD 70 macdon. I have only harvested one wheat crop since the switch. I think the 7010 is easily 20% larger. The hydro , cab, ease of header hook-up, unloading auger, and ease of setting are all much better on the 7010. The grain pan under the rotor is better than the auger set-up. and the 7010 delivered a cleaner grain sample. I harvested 1250 acres of wheat without a breakdown.
Ran a 14 row 26" head on a 2388 for seven years and it was no problem. A 8010 is suppose to be 40 percent bigger than a 2388. I've been thinking 16 row heads would easily work on 8010's and hopefully CASE gets an OEM head out sooner than later. My dealer has been checking out the availability of the 16 row prototypes but hasn't contacted me back about them.
new 7010's with 415 hp will wax a 2388 the ones around here last year where flawless, everyone likes them. they are still selling a lot of 2588's, but rumor has it 7010's will be best selling before long.
good post lance. I was wondering why they would want to go to something that is less efficient, but I can understand the call to remove parts that fail or wear out. Lets face it, belts are a good idea, but they wear and weather.
Hydraulics have a lot of benefits in a combine. Speed of stuff can be electronically changed on the fly, even adjusted based on engine load. The rotor can go slowly forward and reverse to work out a slug. Corn cobs can cause a belt to jump off a pulley.
Downside is that it is a less efficient way to transfer energy.
If I was to speculate a bit, I would guess that the 88 platform isn't maxed out on HP in the 2588. Thus the 7088 will probably have more HP than a 2588, making it similar in capacity to the 7010 (or 7120). Obviously the 7010 is still going to have some features the 7088 doesn't have. Depending on what crop and conditions you run it will determine which machine is the best fit for your operation.
For example, if all you cut is high yielding dry corn, HP isn't an issue. I would guess a 2577 and 2588 will be about equal in this particular condition, as the first subsystem to be maxed out is going to be the sieves or clean grain elevator. In dry corn, HP just isn't an issue. If you cut a lot of green stem soybeans, the performance difference between a 2577 and 2588 is going to be a lot more pronounced, as HP is going to be the limiting factor.
Hi We got strange trouble with 7010 left side of the sieves gets overloaded and plugged by MOG (aprox 30cm (1') in winter barley. Settings:
Rotor RPM 900
concave opening 6
concaves SW in threshing and slotted in separation
Fan speed 750
Sieves Presieve 1 Top 20 bottom 12 Speed 5-6 km/h yield 8t/h.
What we did wrong?
i run a hot 2388(400hp) and last season got hooked up with a 8010 for a few days, we both ran the same 36' draper headers and were in 30bu/ac wheat feild... the 8010s larger feeder house was a bonus in the loged and tagled areas, but other than that we seen no differences, both were running around the 6mph with similar grain losses, 23 was a bit better on fuel
Shaulinis try recalibrating the leveling sieves so the left side is about 1 degree higher. If you know they are level right now find a spot where the seives read 1 degree higher on the left on your monitor and recalibrate it there. I know nothing about barley harvesting but we have to do this in high yielding corn... if I remember correctly when we do a quick kill the material should be a little thicker on both sides then in the center but it should be fairly even. By having the shaker pan tilt 1 degree it should help shake the material back towards the center more evenly before it gets to the sieves and help relieve this problem.
After the mid season update last fall the 7010 is rated at 360hp with a max power bulge up to 402hp I believe. Not sure on the 7120 but your probably right... turn up the power 10-15hp and charge 10-15% more.
We have an 08 8010 and a 02 2388. The 8010 with 35ft. 2020 and the 2388 with 30 ft. 1020. The 8010 will harvest right at 50% more wheat or soybeans. Both combines have the AFX rotor. Neither combine has been turned up.
7120 is 415 max 7010 is 405 or 402 or who knows. in tough green beans, 200+ corn, or a 12 row CH, a 2388 is screwed, no matter how much power. I've been down that road. A 8010 will do 40 - 50% more.
With the enhancements to the feederhouse, the ST rotor, and seive improvements, I would think the X120's will add to that number. my new one is in GI waiting for RH side panels. FT