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How wide do the 8010/8120 spreaders throw the straw and chaff. Sales man says the will spread 45ft. How true is this.
 

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They will spread it 40' if the conditions are right. Most generally 36' seems the norm. Played around with hydraulic motor speed and helped some. Was going to try bending the wrap-around fingers more, but neighbor said his got worse spread when he tried this.
 

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They come not even close to 40ft,the worst chopper/spreader set up i have ever seen for small grain.You are lucky if they spread 30ft.I strongly recommend a redekop chopper if you want a decent straw/chaff management.
 

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We had a lot of spreader trouble on he 8010 last year. The service manager came out to fix i himself and when he got it set right it spread decently, but far from great. It's jut not a great spreader.
 

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My customers with 8010's do not like the spreaders at all. They are looking at putting Redekop Mav's on. From the spread pattern it looks as though the spreaders manage about a 30' spread
 

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The spreaders aren't bad in soybeans, you don't want to come to a sudden stop with them though or they put everything that's on the platform and in the combine in a narrow strip.

Pattern wise, I agree, you can get about 36 feet out of them depending on the wind in soybeans.
 

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Im shocked he said 45ft..... no combine made hardly spreads it 35... in no wind...

thats just something theyve not figured out yet...

id ask someone else besides him for figures... lol
 

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Our redekops will do 42' as wide as our headers in no wind. Any wind at all and that is very diminished. The new case chopper is the best chopper I have ever seen as far as chopping goes it's amazing. Will not spread like the redekops but in my opinion you'll have better luck zero tilling with the new case.
 

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I dont know why you guys are complaining about the speaders on the 8010. I have a 36' draper head on I have my speaders set way back so they wont spread to far.
 

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I'm not happy with ours either, chops really nice, spreads it OK. Looked at putting a Redekop on them, but 10K kind of scared me, looking at maybe doing something different like putting more bars between the existing ones to maybe hold the chaff in longer to spread it wider. Seems as the chaff only gets spread about 20 feet and the straw out to 30 maybe 35 in ideal conditions. would like to see everything out evenly to 35 all day everyday.
 

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Spread over 35ft no problem, even have to reduce rpm on spinners some for a 35ft header in both beans and wheat or it throws too much straw against next pass.
Had to remove the rear short finger to get rid of the bare spot in the center. Placed a short angle iron on the chopper pan to deflect more of the material from the right hand spinner over to the left hand spinner and does a very nice even job now.
 

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Sounds like a great idea, my 7010 did spread heavy to the right with a bare spot in the middle. What size angle iron did you end up with? Does the angle extend past the pan or just on top of it? Did you remove both short fingers? Not sure, think I have 2 shorts & 3 long on each side. thanks Dana
 

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The angle design came from Case-IH dealer and the ASIST system from Case, approx 8" long with the leading edge rounded, about 1-1/2 to 2" angle, two holes drilled in it and bolted through the slots on the chopper pan about 1/4 of the way over from the RH side of the machine. It has to be angled as well to deflect the straw to the left of the machine. The angle does stick out past the back edge of the chopper pan a bit yes. The 2008 and newer machines don't have a slotted chopper pan and have to be drilled to mount the angle. Check with your dealer there are instructions on the Case service site (ASIST) with pictures.
The Magna cut chopper option for 2009 has an adjustable deflector on the RH side of the combine body between the rotor and the chopper rotor to do what this piece of angle iron does now for us.

There are two short fingers and three long ones- yes. Have tried different setups and for soybeans and grain the one short one removed seems to work best for our high volume humid/tough conditions. You will need to experiment with them a little to get it set right for your conditions. It's worth the time spent to get it set right.
 

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Redhat do you know what asist # or name?
The dealer tried yesterday & we could not find the angle iron setup assist.
They do now have an adjustable deflector between rotor and chopper to get residue from right side of rotor back towards center of the chopper.
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The new mega cut chopper in the 20 series will out chop a redekop and spreading straw behind that chopper is not an issue at all! Have any of you installed a redekop? expensive and not a easy task to perform.
 

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Yes they can, but they only have half of the knifes that the Magna Cut chopper in a 8120/9120 does. That chopper takes an incredable about of horse power and the 7010/7120 does not have enough to run it plus the rest of the machine during harvest.

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Here is a copy of the service bulletin I received.

Service
Bulletin
FILING INSTRUCTIONS
Binder: Ag Equipment Binder Page: 1 of 3
Binder Section: Harvesting Combines Document No.: AFX SB 004 08
Mach Loc Code: 99073 Supersedes:
Repair Manual Section: 72 Date Issued: April 29, 2008
Issued By: Technical Support Services
FAMILY: SP Combines
MODELS AFFECTED: AFX8010
SUBJECT: Rotor Discharge Deflector Is Available
DESCRIPTION OF CONCERN
Uneven delivery of the residue from the rotor into the
chopper or beater, as equipped, can result in:
• Uneven distribution of the residue by the straw
and chaff spreaders.
• Poor windrow formation.
ACTION/CORRECTION
A rotor discharge deflector (part number 87550493),
1, is available and is installed on the bulkhead
located at the right-hand side of the rotor cage. The
addition of the rotor discharge deflector provides
these benefits:
• Improved delivery of the residue from the rotor
into the chopper / beater.
• Improved distribution of the residue discharged
by the straw and chaff spreaders.
• Improved windrow formation.
To support the rotor discharge deflector, a new
bulkhead (part number 87550492) for the right-hand
side of the rotor cage is available. The new bulkhead
contains the holes required to install the rotor
discharge deflector.
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©2008 CNH America LLC. All rights reserved.
Document No.: AFX SB 004 08 Subject: Rotor Discharge Deflector Is Available Page: 2 of 3
Production:
The rotor discharge deflector (part number
87550493) and the new bulkhead (part number
87550492) were introduced into production at serial
number HAJ200001.
Service:
For combines prior to serial number HAJ200001, if
uneven delivery of the residue from the rotor into the
chopper / beater occurs, install the rotor discharge
deflector (part number 87550493) and its required
components.
The installation of the rotor discharge deflector can
be performed while the rotor is present in the
combine or after the rotor is removed (for example,
during other rotor repairs).
1. To install the rotor discharge deflector without
removing the rotor, follow the instructions under
‘Discharge Deflector Installation: Rotor Present’
later in this bulletin.
2. To install the rotor discharge deflector after the
rotor is removed, follow instructions under
‘Discharge Deflector Installation: Rotor Removed’
later in this bulletin.
Discharge Deflector Installation: Rotor Present
1. Close the top sieve.
2. Lay a piece of wood or another suitable platform
across the top of the cleaning system to prevent
damage to the sieves.
3. Loosen the bolts at the rear of the chopper /
beater pan to allow the pan to rotate downwards
to the bottom of the adjustment slots.
4. Remove the hardware (bolts, washers, nuts) that
secures the existing bulkhead (part number
87107510) on the right-hand side of the rotor
cage. Do not discard the hardware.
• Two bolts are located at the top of the
bulkhead.
• Two bolts are located at the side of the
bulkhead that is at the rear of the rotor cage.
The bolts are along the slope of the rotor
discharge sheet.
• One bolt is located inside the rotor separator
area.
5. Slide the existing bulkhead under the chopper /
beater and out.
6. Discard the existing bulkhead.
7. Install the rotor discharge deflector (part number
87550493) onto the new bulkhead (part number
87550492).
a. Use four new carriage bolts (part number
86507486), flat washers (part number
86625263), and lock nuts (part number
86629542).
b. Tighten the lock nuts to 22 N⋅m (16 ft-lbs).
8. Slide the new bulkhead with the attached rotor
discharge deflector under the chopper / beater.
9. Place the new bulkhead in the same location as
the previous bulkhead.
10. Use the hardware that you removed in step 4 to
secure the new bulkhead to the rotor cage.
a. Insert a carriage bolt (part number
86507486) into each of the two holes in the
top and the two holes in the side of the new
bulkhead.
b. Loosely fasten the bolts with the Belleville
washers (part number 322358) and the
regular nuts (part number 9706690).
c. Insert the remaining carriage bolt through
the front hole in rotor separator area.
d. Loosely fasten the bolt with the flat washer
(part number 140041) and the lock nut (part
number 86629542).
e. Tighten the four regular nuts to 30 N⋅m (22
ft-lbs).
f. Tighten the lock nut to 22 N⋅m (16 ft-lbs).
11. If the chopper is installed, position the chopper
pan so that the chopper knife to pan clearance is
8 to 12 mm (0.3 to 0.5 inch) rearward of the
stationary knives.
Document No.: AFX SB 004 08 Subject: Rotor Discharge Deflector Is Available Page: 3 of 3
Discharge Deflector Installation: Rotor Removed
NOTE: The removal of the rotor lets you easily gain
access to the bulkhead through the front of the rotor
cage.
1. Remove the hardware (bolts, washers, nuts) that
secures the existing bulkhead (part number
87107510) on the right-hand side of the rotor
cage. Do not discard the hardware.
• Two bolts are located at the top of the
bulkhead.
• Two bolts are located at the side of the
bulkhead that is at the rear of the rotor cage.
The bolts are along the slope of the rotor
discharge sheet.
• One bolt is located inside the rotor separator
area.
2. Remove and discard the existing bulkhead.
3. Install the rotor discharge deflector (part number
87550493) onto the new bulkhead (part number
87550492).
a. Use four new carriage bolts (part number
86507486), flat washers (part number
86625263), and lock nuts (part number
86629542).
b. Tighten the lock nuts to 22 N⋅m (16 ft-lbs).
4. Place the new bulkhead with the attached rotor
discharge deflector in the same location as the
previous bulkhead.
5. Use the hardware that you removed in step 1 to
secure the new bulkhead to the rotor cage.
a. Insert a carriage bolt (part number
86507486) into each of the two holes in the
top and the two holes in the side of the new
bulkhead.
b. Loosely fasten the bolts with the Belleville
washers (part number 322358) and the
regular nuts (part number 9706690).
c. Insert the remaining carriage bolt through
the front hole in rotor separator area.
d. Loosely fasten the bolt with the flat washer
(part number 140041) and the lock nut (part
number 86629542).
e. Tighten the four regular nuts to 30 N⋅m (22
ft-lbs).
f. Tighten the lock nut to 22 N⋅m (16 ft-lbs).
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
NA
PARTS AFFECTED
Previous Qty Description Qty New SupportPRO2
Part # Part # Ref Number
NA NA Deflector, rotor discharge 1 87550493 E.10.B(01)
87107510 1 Bulkhead, right-hand, rotor discharge 1 87550492 E.10.B(01)
86507486 5 Bolt, carriage, M8 9 86507486 E.10.B(01)
86629542 1 Nut, lock, M8 5 86629542 E.10.B(01)
NA NA Washer, flat, M8 4 86625263 E.10.B(01)
322358 4 Washer, Belleville 4 322358 E.10.B(01)
9706690 4 Nut, regular, M8 4 9706690 E.10.B(01)
140041 1 Washer, flat, M8 1 140041 E.10.B(01)
WARRANTY STATUS
This service bulletin is for informational purposes
only and does not constitute warranty authorization
to update units without a warrantable failure.
 
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