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Hi guys and gals,harvest season has begun in africa and tomorrow I'll be attending the launch of the 8010.The question remains if I should pay $90000 more for the 8010 or go for the claas thats $90000 cheaper than the caseih.
8010 or claas 580
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Whats the difference in your local dealers
is your first question.
Do you prefer one more.....maybe one seems to keep parts better or works harder to stay up to date and is more reliable?
is your first question.
Do you prefer one more.....maybe one seems to keep parts better or works harder to stay up to date and is more reliable?
Simply knowing that some large progressive CaseIH dealers are jumping ship on the 8010 and taking on the Lexion franchise here in North America is evidence enough to make me seriously consider the 580 Lexion. There have also been more and more custom harvesters trading their red combines for new Lexion 500's. The Lexion has come a long way since the 400 series, even the 400's were unmatched most of the time and the 500 still remain that way with alot nicer features and some added performance and capacity.
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Quote:Simply knowing that some large progressive CaseIH dealers are jumping ship on the 8010 and taking on the Lexion franchise here in North America
Do you have any specific dealers you can reference?
Baker Equipment in SE MO and NE AR and Eldridge Supply in EC AR and I read somewhere there were several in Ontario Canada and a couple in Kansas
Quote:Simply knowing that some large progressive CaseIH dealers are jumping ship on the 8010 and taking on the Lexion franchise here in North America
Do you have any specific dealers you can reference?
Baker Equipment in SE MO and NE AR and Eldridge Supply in EC AR and I read somewhere there were several in Ontario Canada and a couple in Kansas
Have never operated a 580, but have spent many hours in a 575. Just by looking, I can tell you the 8010 has a far superior cab. That being said, I personally like the 500 cab over the 2388. After a season of operation of any combine, any other combines controls, and sights are goofy. No matter what color your in.......Vise, versa.
Not sure if you do corn, but if you do, and have rows narrower than 30", for some reason Claas can't figure out how to put poly on narrow row corn heads. This is why one guy I know thinks the lexion corn head is junk, we run a 12-30 Lexion corn head on the 575, and an 8-30 Case (New Holland actually) on a 2388. They both do a great job.
Are you talking 90,000 dollars US money??? If so, Id think your crazy to spend that much more on an 8010. Unless you have really bad service from the class people.
Just saw an add from a dealer in Missouri selling a new 8010 for 187,000 USD. Must be a bare bones machine? Local Deere dealer sold a used 4-wheeler (425hp) to a guy in Brazil. Shipping from here (200 miles south of Canada) was roughly 30 grand. Hope this helps.
Good Luck
Not sure if you do corn, but if you do, and have rows narrower than 30", for some reason Claas can't figure out how to put poly on narrow row corn heads. This is why one guy I know thinks the lexion corn head is junk, we run a 12-30 Lexion corn head on the 575, and an 8-30 Case (New Holland actually) on a 2388. They both do a great job.
Are you talking 90,000 dollars US money??? If so, Id think your crazy to spend that much more on an 8010. Unless you have really bad service from the class people.
Just saw an add from a dealer in Missouri selling a new 8010 for 187,000 USD. Must be a bare bones machine? Local Deere dealer sold a used 4-wheeler (425hp) to a guy in Brazil. Shipping from here (200 miles south of Canada) was roughly 30 grand. Hope this helps.
Good Luck
Quote:I read with interest that dealers are changing brands over here farmers are trading 580`s on 8010 and some of the 580`s have been reel bad in the first season one farmer had the service man out 42 times in the first 180 hrs .
What were they doing, building that 580R from the ground up? A kit combine might be of interest one day. However, I think you may have your models backwards. I think that you will find that the 8010's have probably racked up some of the highest service hours, since its introduction, of any combine and that comes straight from a dealer himself. I have heard nothing but praise for the new 500 series Lexions. I think that Claas has actually listened to the US and probably Canadian customers and built a combine with convenient features and excellent reliability, something that the other guys just don't seem to get. I have sat on a focus groups before tellingthem what we need and want and just to find out they did the opposite from what we requested come product launch time. Even if I hadn't heard anything about the 8010, I still think your information is far fetched.
What were they doing, building that 580R from the ground up? A kit combine might be of interest one day. However, I think you may have your models backwards. I think that you will find that the 8010's have probably racked up some of the highest service hours, since its introduction, of any combine and that comes straight from a dealer himself. I have heard nothing but praise for the new 500 series Lexions. I think that Claas has actually listened to the US and probably Canadian customers and built a combine with convenient features and excellent reliability, something that the other guys just don't seem to get. I have sat on a focus groups before tellingthem what we need and want and just to find out they did the opposite from what we requested come product launch time. Even if I hadn't heard anything about the 8010, I still think your information is far fetched.
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seems like their are a lot of newer lexions on red or green dealer lots. a 05 590 somewhere in northern iowa, something about waiting a week for parts from the fatherland. going from a 400 series to a 500 who wouldn't be impressed. I demoed a 485 before I bought the 8010 what a POS. I've ran a 590r she'll shell corn,but just to much stuff on it !
Quote:No I didn`t get it wrong ,he had the service man to the 580 5 times in one day and in the end at 2.30 am it went again they gave up and went to bed .It was a problem with poor machining in the hyd valves .It is not the only 580 to of given trouble down here .I operated a new 06 8010 for 300 + hrs this harvest and it never put a foot wrong in 10 to 14 tonne per ha crops of wheat,we also did Barley,Peas ,Grass seed ,Clover.
Then I would blame the Technician. "If first you don't succeed," don't try , try again, replace it under warranty! Senseless troubleshooting! I would've replaced the entire valve body/assembly of the affected area to ensure customer satsifaction. My Deere dealer does that to me allthe time. They insist on troubleshooting until the problem goes away rather than heading straight for the root cause. Just like an oil spill, you don't remove just the affected area, you also take up the dirt form the outer lying radius exposed to leaching.
Then I would blame the Technician. "If first you don't succeed," don't try , try again, replace it under warranty! Senseless troubleshooting! I would've replaced the entire valve body/assembly of the affected area to ensure customer satsifaction. My Deere dealer does that to me allthe time. They insist on troubleshooting until the problem goes away rather than heading straight for the root cause. Just like an oil spill, you don't remove just the affected area, you also take up the dirt form the outer lying radius exposed to leaching.
Quote:seems like their are a lot of newer lexions on red or green dealer lots. a 05 590 somewhere in northern iowa, something about waiting a week for parts from the fatherland. going from a 400 series to a 500 who wouldn't be impressed. I demoed a 485 before I bought the 8010 what a POS. I've ran a 590r she'll shell corn,but just to much stuff on it !
Where are all these new lexions on green/ red lots? Didn't think there were that many here in the states. Maybe its time to trade the ole 575 in for one of 5 8010's sitting on Zeiglers lots? Never have operated an 8010, mainly because I know only one of three happy owners and have heard all the problems you and frans have had with yours.
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Where are all these new lexions on green/ red lots? Didn't think there were that many here in the states. Maybe its time to trade the ole 575 in for one of 5 8010's sitting on Zeiglers lots? Never have operated an 8010, mainly because I know only one of three happy owners and have heard all the problems you and frans have had with yours.
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A good dealer can make a poor combine perform, and likewise a poor dealer can make a good combine look bad.
Go with the dealer.
We had lexions, dealer service was excellent then went to the dump, and so did the machines.
Currently running 8010's and I can say that these machines are solid. So is our dealer.
Go with the dealer.
We had lexions, dealer service was excellent then went to the dump, and so did the machines.
Currently running 8010's and I can say that these machines are solid. So is our dealer.
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zeigler sold a 590 that would not work in corn to save it guy traded it for a green one somewhere zeigler can tell you where it is I saw several newer lexions in nebraska on different lots through the summer
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You couldn't be more correct..
thats what it all comes down too
well that and seems like some brands just work great with your family or operation than some.
hence why we can't drive fords but get along great with GM.
Dealers was another main reason i switched from rogator to case sprayers and man its nice....
thats what it all comes down too
well that and seems like some brands just work great with your family or operation than some.
hence why we can't drive fords but get along great with GM.
Dealers was another main reason i switched from rogator to case sprayers and man its nice....
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