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Im looking at both narrow and wide bodies, dynamic cooling era and newer. Ive been comparing about 10 machines and no one uses the same terminology. Auger lengths listed in feet, #XL, and even inches for some reason.

What do each XL number auger lengths equate to in feet?

How many feet recommended for 40’ platform head with no autosteer? 45’ platform head?

Everyone lists 35” tracks, was there another width offered?

HD vs variable speed feederhouse. Im guessing both are variable. Ill be running a 12 row folding but non chopping geringhoff corn head and a 40-45’ Macdon. Which would be recommended or sufficient?

Did all come with auto contour or is it an option only? What about auto reel speed?

What is HD grain handling?

Is cruise pilot the same as “autopilot for NAF”?

Some ‘13s are listed as “pre-14 dynamic cooling”. Is there any benefit to these years, as in, no DEF fluid or DEF?

Thanks for any help
 

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Im looking at both narrow and wide bodies, dynamic cooling era and newer. Ive been comparing about 10 machines and no one uses the same terminology. Auger lengths listed in feet, #XL, and even inches for some reason.

What do each XL number auger lengths equate to in feet?

How many feet recommended for 40’ platform head with no autosteer? 45’ platform head?

Everyone lists 35” tracks, was there another width offered?

HD vs variable speed feederhouse. Im guessing both are variable. Ill be running a 12 row folding but non chopping geringhoff corn head and a 40-45’ Macdon. Which would be recommended or sufficient?

Did all come with auto contour or is it an option only? What about auto reel speed?

What is HD grain handling?

Is cruise pilot the same as “autopilot for NAF”?

Some ‘13s are listed as “pre-14 dynamic cooling”. Is there any benefit to these years, as in, no DEF fluid or DEF?

Thanks for any help
This will clear your auger questions:


If you are not CTF 4XL is easy on 40’, tight but doable on 45’.

Looks like North America and Australia get the widest tracks only, Europe gets narrower for transport regs.

If you are 12 row chopping corn header (I see not corn front!) you need HD variable drive to ensure enough torque.

Not sure auto contour is standard.

HD handing involves heavier high wear components in the grain tank and may be slower.

I don't know what NAF is but don’t think it’s Cruise Pilot.

I will not tackle Oz emission regulations.
 

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This will clear your auger questions:


If you are not CTF 4XL is easy on 40’, tight but doable on 45’.

Looks like North America and Australia get the widest tracks only, Europe gets narrower for transport regs.

If you are 12 row chopping corn header (I see not corn front!) you need HD variable drive to ensure enough torque.

Not sure auto contour is standard.

HD handing involves heavier high wear components in the grain tank and may be slower.

I don't know what NAF is but don’t think it’s Cruise Pilot.

I will not tackle Oz emission regulations.
Thank you, that clears up a lot. Ill keep an eye out for the 7xl so that i can dump at the grainery in the next county. Eliminate trucks altogether.

Im in the US as far as emissions. I just didnt know if some years came with DPF vs DEF or some had both.
 

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Thank you, that clears up a lot. Ill keep an eye out for the 7xl so that i can dump at the grainery in the next county. Eliminate trucks altogether.

Im in the US as far as emissions. I just didnt know if some years came with DPF vs DEF or some had both.
You’re welcome.
Ha ha, yes, interestingly a 7XL is the same as Agco Ideals’ big auger length wise.

Still hard to compare emissions though, OZ gets Perkins and Cat, NA gets Mercedes (just DEF) and Cat (think that’s DPF and DEF?).

You are shopping in the US?
 

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Yes. I am in Virginia and North Carolina, US. I have come across one machine that fits me well that is in Canada, but I doubt it will be worth whatever is involved to bring it into the states. I need it in about a month.
Oh, stupid me, I read SE VA as SE Victoria, Australia, yes, you must have wondered where I was going with OZ emissions!

I do not know how tough border crossing is with a combine but we have no wall.

Oh, 4XL is the longest yellow auger available.
 

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Oh, stupid me, I read SE VA as SE Victoria, Australia, yes, you must have wondered where I was going with OZ emissions!

I do not know how tough border crossing is with a combine but we have no wall.

Oh, 4XL is the longest yellow auger available.
Yeah you had me double check my location.

Well these dealers havent made things easy. One lists a 29’2”, and two a 28’2”. So im assuming they are actually slightly shorter, and 4xl and 3xl respectively. Sounds like either would be fine on a 40’, but 45’ may need an extension.

It also important that autosteer may not always be used while dumping, so we need some breathing room. One dealer wants to pair a machine up with a 45’ Macdon, and im just thinking that could be a bad idea for me.
 

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I would think with your US dollar, Canada would be a great place to shop for a combine for you. Won’t be a big deal to cross border.
The machine in Canada is by far the best buy when factoring future cost per hour of use. This meaning, not factoring my personal budget, because it is also the most expensive but lowest houred machine.

Canadian unit $118/sep hr of future use.
8.5 years before replacement

US $119-157 (9 units)
4.5-7 years before replacement

I guess ill have to talk to a trucking company that is familiar with crossing the border.
 

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Just curious how you are valuing it that far out to figure out what it will cost per sep hr ?

Qline trucking out of Saskatoon Saskatchewan would be a good company to talk to. They travel back and forth all the time. Farmer owned.
 

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Just curious how you are valuing it that far out to figure out what it will cost per sep hr ?

Qline trucking out of Saskatoon Saskatchewan would be a good company to talk to. They travel back and forth all the time. Farmer owned.
I just figure I would aim to trade at 2500sep hours. So subtract actual unit hours from 2500, then purchase price (or purchase price with interest) divided by those hours. So the use cost with $0 value at trade-in time. I havent gotten far enough to factor residual value, but its probably not really needed since with a baseline of 2500 at sale date, all units are close to the same value. That way im comparing apples to apples.

The true cost would subtract the trade value, say $40,000-70000. But its just as easy for me to use zero since its not a number for budgetting, just comparison.

Obviously this doesnt include any other expenses that come with owning any combine.
 

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Theres one local to me thats both in my price range, and in my hour range, but after running the numbers I realised it would cost me $195/hr of use comepared to all those $118-150. Its eye opening and a big help for me to look at it from multiple angles so I dont make a move that seems okay but hurts me down the line.
 

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The 2013 780 came with dynamic cooling and def. The 13-14 780 with the Mercedes are easy to get the def deleted on.
The rest of the combines got dynamic cooling in 14'.
 

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The 2013 780 came with dynamic cooling and def. The 13-14 780 with the Mercedes are easy to get the def deleted on.
The rest of the combines got dynamic cooling in 14'.
The 760s have the mercedes too right? I missed my chance on a couple 780s recently.

Theres one or two ‘13 750s on tractorhouse that claim pre-14 dynamic cooling. I didnt know if thats just an early ‘14, or if they had a very short production of dynamic cooling and no emissions.
 

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If it's an IT4 engine it should have dynamic cooling and emissions. never heard of the pre 14' dynamic cooling but anything is possible.
 

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Lexions w/o Autocontour are out there....just VERY rare. I've seen one -- a 500 series -- in western Canade. IDK if the 700s ever had it as optional.

I'd be VERY careful about bringing a combine over...make absolutely certain that you have all the red tape about emissions dealt with before you do. I've never tried, but I hear stories. Talk to somebody who does it first.

Tell your dealer to stop having such a "big head" ;> 45' is huge, even out west. Too much stress--on the operator! I'd definitely go for the high torque variable speed drive if you are combining corn--the other drives are just not heavy enough. Sounds like you are putting together a pretty nice combo!
 

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Ive narrowed it down to a couple of machines, however im having issues with the build sheets. Any ‘13-14 that ive been sent build sheets on that have AHHC say it right in the first line:

Auto contour:Cutterbar adjustment

The two that suit me best are both ‘15 models. Each dealer claims they have AHHC and auto reel speed, but neither build sheet mentions it anywhere. Did this become standard in ‘15 and thus not on the sheet?

Both dealers seem honest, but ive learned my lesson on taking a salesmans word for something 1000mi away. It could be an honest mistake and you still have no recourse.
 

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Both dealers seem honest, but ive learned my lesson on taking a salesmans word for something 1000mi away. It could be an honest mistake and you still have no recourse.
It’s almost always an honest mistake, farmers, especially owner/operators, use and study that equipment to use to their maximum advantage.
Sales people sell equipment.

Oh, I don’t mean just Claas sales people, I mean all of them.
 
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