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Anyone else VERY dissapointed with the A86. Just cannot get it to save wheat. Dealer did a bunch of updates this winter and didnt do any good.
 

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First do the right job at the rotor don't over thrash and get the white caps out. Put in a air foil chaffer it is a must open the bottom sieve almost all the way and in will do a great job. Alot of guys close the sieve to get that good sample and all they do is close off the air and still have a bad sample and throw it out the back.
 

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I like the smell of diesel fuel too, but I think you've been huffing waaaayyyy too much of it.

The A86 certainly won't run horsepower limited in cereal crops and maintain acceptable loss, but driving loss limited certainly doesn't yield horrible harvest rates.
 

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I call bull on you saying it was never testing in cereal crops. I say this because I can remember watching them run the first class 8 prototype back when it was disguised as a 670 Challenger in barley amongst a bunch of R series Gleaners. This was approximately 6 years ago. No, the axial is not a miracle machine in cereals, that's transverse territory! However, it wasn't what I'd call unacceptable. It can be made to work.

Yes, there are some configurations that will not work in certain conditions. I believe this applies to all combines, regardless of model or color. I'm not meaning to accuse you of bashing. I am, however, accusing you of making false claims.

Don't get me wrong though, I've never been a fan of axials.
 

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I'll vouch for Agco on this one. The class 8 Agco (maybe not in silver colors) was tested in small grains alot before the release. Maybe they did not get any where with the typical axial problems of rotor feeding, shoe loading and such in small grain. But they did try. I would almost bet there was more testing of the class 8 then the super 7. Agco spent way far more money and time developing the class 8 axial then the super 7 so far.
 

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i think they are going ok over here? i know one of the contractors locally is looking at swapping his 70 series JD,s for 3 Masseys. They are the same thing arent they? - there was quite a few on last years contract/custom running very large fronts. is it high moisture they are having trouble with or ? i havent heard of any trouble in our conditions.
 

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Lets see....... isn't the A Gleaner, the Massey, and the Challenger the exact machine? Yes there was testing done on the Axial Agco built machines, maybe not in the silver color but in red or yellow clothes. I have 3 class 8's, and 4 class 7's and 1 class 6 running in small grains and they all do very well.

If you are trying to close the rotor to thrash the crop you will overload the seives, speed the rotor up. If you close the seives to clean the sample you will run grain out the back and get a dirty sample because you stop the air flow. Take most of the rotor knives out for dry crops. I leave a few in in a spiral auger type configuration to keep the crop moving to help keep the seives cleaner and it makes for better straw if you want to bale behind the combine. The 3 Class 8's cut for a farmer that dryland farms 80,000 acres so have 40,000 to cut each year, these three machines cut 1/4 of the acres and custome harvestors cut the rest with green red and silver machines but they own the Challenger machines because they do a good job in wheat, sunflowers, millet, and dryland corn.
 

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From what i hear the european's will accept greater loss out the back of a combine then we do in the USA. So maybe the loss out of Agco class 8 is satisfactory to them. It is also supposed to be easier threshing wheat. Never been there so correct me if i am wrong.
 

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i'm with harsh on this one, how will the A86 not cut wheat but a 9895, 9690,9790 and challenger 660- 680, something dont make sense there, something don't jive with the one, we have cut wheat with our 9690 got along fine, i know putting in wheat concaves makes it a better combine but in corn country it don't matter, custom cutters i have never heard any problems with them. allen
 

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I have 2000 sep hours on my 8780xp and had 1500 1700 hours on my 8780 before that 85% in wheat and I was the operater. The 8780 is came out before a 9690 and is seperater wise the same machine. These machines ( 9895 9795 9695 9690 9790 ) and the silver and yellow will do a great job in small grains. I will say there is alot guys that do not set the machine up right and some times the dealer does not know how to get it right. These machines go back to the mid 80's they have had lots of testing in small grain.
 

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have seen a fair few Massey's on the contracting (custom) harvester job here in Australia - and no we dont like grain going out the back - its hard enough to grow, never mind throwing it out the back at harvest.
 

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I wonder how much longer AGCO will be painting this machine silver. I mean come on, they couldn't keep painting the tractors orange anymore, and I guarantee they don't sell many A series Gleaners.
 

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I believe that silver axials are gone. Dealers will sell Gleaners(transverse and silver) and Massey (axial and red) customer can choose which design they want.
 

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interesting - hopefully gleaner have a class 8 or similar with the new S7? - still selling A Gleaners here, one was delivered up the road in the last week (in Aus.)
 

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We have an 07 A85. Disappointed last year, but this year after reading on here and learning a bit it seems better. Open up Concave a bit and speed up the rotor to stop over threshing/overloading the seive. We have been running to horsepower max in 90bu winter wheat and the losses are very minimal.
 
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