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was wondering how much money you guys estimate you're saving with aim command pro? if nozzels shut off automaticallyh can you just drive back and forth without touching anything at headlands?
 

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At the end of the day you went to field with 160 acre of chem when done boxes are empty ,no diff section shut of or aim or aim pro or whatever half mill $$$ tool you buy.
Until you start cutting back on rate you have a system that has a payback.
So aim pro has a benefit over aut-section shutoff more sections more saving , therefor nozzle GPS shutof control will aid minimal benefit unless you like to spray your field in circle's
 

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I doubt AIM could ever save enough chemical over a standard section control system on your GPS to ever pay for itself.
I don't see it as going to save you a lot on chemical because if it took 4 jugs to spray a field you will probably still use the 4 jugs to spray the field but with aim command pro you will be applying it more precisely with less water. You will have less over applying when doing short ground where you are crossing into sprayed ground a lot and it has turn compensation so if you have lots of turns to make while spraying you don't under apply on one side and over apply on the other reducing chemical burn and making sure that weeds get the correct amount to kill them and not cause them to become tolerant to the spray. I know it is hard to measure the damage by under and over applying but if you have big square fields then the original aim command is probably for you but if you have lots of slews and other obstacles to go around aim command pro is a no brainer.
 

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I don't see it as going to save you a lot on chemical because if it took 4 jugs to spray a field you will probably still use the 4 jugs to spray the field but with aim command pro you will be applying it more precisely with less water. You will have less over applying when doing short ground where you are crossing into sprayed ground a lot and it has turn compensation so if you have lots of turns to make while spraying you don't under apply on one side and over apply on the other reducing chemical burn and making sure that weeds get the correct amount to kill them and not cause them to become tolerant to the spray. I know it is hard to measure the damage by under and over applying but if you have big square fields then the original aim command is probably for you but if you have lots of slews and other obstacles to go around aim command pro is a no brainer.
I actually prefer using AI nozzles so I don't like either AIM system. OP's question was about saving money with the AIM pro, if you figure in the 20-30k it costs you to put it on the machine I don't think it will save you anything.....that's what I was getting at. Sure you'll get some of that initial cost back IF you sell it to someone that wants it. Some folks love it, some hate it, some don't really care. I guess I'm half way between the second and third:D
 

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The difference between aim and aim pro is roughly 10 k. Anyone want to post what 4 to 14 percent of their chem bill is ?

The overlap savings are only one part of this system. It does way more than that.
Is 14% with foam and a one-section 120' boom???

If someone is overlapping 14% they need to spend some money cleaning up their field, not on Aim pro. Turn compensation would be nice but individual shut-off would only gain you a minimal amount from a properly set 7 section auto shut-off.

You are also not factoring in extra drift from aim over air-induction nozzles. Most guys that have run both will admit to that. Not to mention the poorer coverage from the archaic nozzles that must be used with that system.
 

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Is 14% with foam and a one-section 120' boom???

If someone is overlapping 14% they need to spend some money cleaning up their field, not on Aim pro. Turn compensation would be nice but individual shut-off would only gain you a minimal amount from a properly set 7 section auto shut-off.

You are also not factoring in extra drift from aim over air-induction nozzles. Most guys that have run both will admit to that. Not to mention the poorer coverage from the archaic nozzles that must be used with that system.
I'm running a 10 section 120' boom with GPS section control your not going to get anywhere near 4% in fact I'll bet it'd be hard to even measure the savings if there even is any..........besides nozzle dribble:D. Going to take a lot of dribble to pay for a 30,000 dollar system.
 

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Interesting ! Looks like a lot of guys who have sprayed a huge amount that are dead set against aim pro or pinpoint. You are the type of guys I love to demo sprayers to. I always end up learning something from the customer, and I always appreciate the educated feedback.

On to the facts:

I have sold, installed and serviced a huge amount of aim pro/pinpoint machines. I keep detailed logs on my demo sprayers as to how much chem they are actually using. The sprayers are 120 foot, 7 section case machines.

The aimpro/ pinpoint monitor gives you a direct readout from the flow meter as to how much chem has been applied to each field. This is recorded. It also gives you a readout of what a sprayer with 7 section control would use in that same field. This is also recorded. The difference is what the savings are.

Most sprayers auto swath or accuboom control is set to 99 percent. It has to be set this way to minimize skips. This means when 1 percent of each section gets into an unapplied area, the entire section turns on. The largest section on a case 120 7 section boom is 14 nozzles. This means that if even 1 of those nozzles gets into an unapplied area, the other 13 nozzles have to spray and overlap. Multiply this over lap by 7 sections over an entire field. This is where the 4 to 14 percent over lap savings comes in. 72 section control versus 7 section control.

The guys who have perfectly square fields with no obstacles or reasons to turn and slow down won't see near as much overlap savings. In my area we have sloughs, pivots, canals, wells, acreages, hills, uneven fence lines, trees and shelter belts.

Other things aim pro/ pinpoint can do :
Individual nozzle remote control to check tips.
Individual nozzle monitoring from the cab that automatically alerts you if a solenoid is plugged
The ability to vary the duty cycle of individual nozzles. Can put on more chem behind the tires in dusty conditions, or more chem on the outside fence rows, all without stealing chem from the rest of the boom.
Turn compensation. The duty cycle of the solenoids is varied through the turns, so each solenoid puts on the correct Gpm to hold the correct gpa.
Pressure control. The pressure is constant no matter what your speed is. This gives you consistent droplet size and accurate application.

Still waiting for someone to post what 4 to 14 percent of their chem bill is:)
 

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We are fairly small time and our chem bill can be $70k so $2800-$9800. I would think guys with pivots would see a huge benefit. If they plant straight they will much less overlap on the outsides and if they follow the pivot they get even rates even near the tower.
 

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Mike, where you say " multiply this overlap by 7 sections over an entire field" doesn't make sense. Only one section would be overlapping at any given time... So you need to divide your 4 to 14% by 7.;)

I too can put more on in the wheel tracks, just turn from yellow...to purple...to blue...:)

I agree spraying in circles around pivots would have benefit but for most of us it would never pay. I have run AIM before and seen a demo of Pinpoint so I know what I speak of. I have never been as happy as since I went back to AI nozzles. If you could run them on AIM I would consider going back, but for me getting a good kill on the weeds and not on the neighbor's crop is paramount!

Chem bill is over 200K.:eek:
 

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The largest section on a case 120 7 section boom is 14 nozzles.
Shoulda bought a Nitro.........I got 10 sections:D Sorry couldn't resist....Oh yeah I don't need the computer to tell me when I have a nozzle plugged cause I can see them all!:)

We have a lot of point rows and pivots and I can tell you right now that I'm so close to spraying exactly what the GPS'ed acres are in each field that you would never pay for the AIM system. It's no where near 4% let alone 14%, but I also don't spray in circles either.

I also agree with SW, AI nozzles are far superior at controlling drift than AIM is.
 

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Interesting.

When you enter or exit an uneven headland, each one of your 7 sections has to turn on and off at a different time, hence the times 7. With aim pro, the nozzles all turn on at the exact right time. The math has been done and the numbers don't lie. 4 to 14 percent savings over a 7 section auto control system.

When you put on larger tips behind your wheels, you are stealing chemical from the rest of the tips. Your gpm for the rest of the boom is actually lower than it should be, which means your gpa is wrong. You would have to increase the gpa in your rate controller to get an accurate kill. Interesting strategy when the goal is an accurate weed kill across the entire boom.

Would be interested in the method you used to determine how you had more drift and less coverage on an aim machine vs non aim.
 
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