[Don Boles]

I'm going to pull a few posts from another thread to set this up:

I had lots of trouble with my canola blend the last 2 years and plugging. This year my fertilizer supplier added about 7L of soy oil per tonne of fertilizer...no dust what so ever while unloading at home into my bin and I could run my 95' 13" auger full with a 6430 tractor. I'm looking forward to seeding.

Snipe I haven't had trouble on my air tank with build up on the augers...just on the airguard exhaust vent and the seed tubes


They charged us $15/Tonne of fertilizer extra...I will research the actual cost of the oil itself, I think we might be able to do it cheaper ourselves...just meter it into the auger as you unload at home into your bin should be enough mixing I think


Don we had it added to straight 11-52-0 (might not have needed it since I've never had a problem with straight P) and we added it to our canola blend 16-25-0-13. I just know from my neighbors who have used it a couple of years already that it greatly reduces lumps. I couldn't believe how easily it unloaded.

They were mixing in 5 T increments with 35 L going in. I haven't used any K in my blends for a number of years but if it was in the blend I'm sure the oil would help in less clumping. It looks like all the prills are nicely covered in a thin film of oil so water has a hard time penetrating that.

Now one of the guys who has been using this for more than 1 year says he thinks it may also release the nutrients slower since the water has a bit harder time penetrating the individual prills in the spring...now this is a most extreme unscientifically proven wise ass guess at best lol but there might be some merit to that guess. Now this of course might provoke all kinds of guesses on this forum why this would be a good, great or down right stupid thing.

Let the debate begin

What do you think?

Anyone else have any experience with this?

 

[Andrew_D]

No experience Don, but sounds interesting.

Make your own slow release N???

I'm guessing any veg oil would work here? What about filtered restaurant waste oil? Can usually get it free for the hauling. Would definitely want to filter out the crap though.

Andrew

 

[gm]

Now Don and anybody else that has been following this thread you must understand I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination on this subject but our fert dealer has been doing this for a few years now and every year he gets more farmers who want to try it and I don't think anybody who had it done in the past has quit applying it. So it must work pretty good...It passed my test as far as unloading it at home into my bins. We'll see how it runs out of the bin this spring and how it flows through our BG 6550 tank and through our airguard seed brakes and down through the seed boots.

 

[Don Boles]

No, gm I appreciate that, it's just your posts C and P providing the quickest background.
Just your dust free comment alone endures the process to me.

 

[Don Boles]

Waiting for a reply

I've put this idea out to a couple of my go to agronomic fertilizer guys, will be interesting what they come up with.
Neither one had an answer off the top of their head.

 

[mustard]

Bit of a side issue But I heard guys adding bit of veg. oil to seed treatment. You know how there is always alot of Dust coming off when your filling the drill with pre-treated grain? Apparently the oil stops this.

 

[Haystack]

It's not the answer to the question that your asking exactly, but it wouldn't be rocket science to treat product going into a drill using a solonoid valve and the existing light oil supply tanks on the truck or tractor.

This is a line from the product data sheet.

Major constituents are inherently biodegradable. The volatile constituents will oxidize rapidly by photochemical reactions in air.
.

 

[stsdavew]

My neighbors put used vegetable oil on their nitrogen as they were augering it into the bin. They said it worked great, came out of the bin perfectly and the auger didn't have a bit of rust after. They got the idea for another guy who put used motor oil on the N... He claims it worked great but who knows if there are any toxicity concerns from the motor oil once in the soil. The only concern I can think of is once the liquid oil is added to the N will the N be more susceptible to volatilization?

 

[wheatking]

Bit of a side issue But I heard guys adding bit of veg. oil to seed treatment. You know how there is always alot of Dust coming off when your filling the drill with pre-treated grain? Apparently the oil stops this.

Is seed treatment not water based, would this not hurt it coating the seed evenly. Just a thought, would love to reduce the dust.

 

[Don Boles]

It's not the answer to the question that your asking exactly, but it wouldn't be rocket science to treat product going into a drill using a solonoid valve and the existing light oil supply tanks on the truck or tractor.

This is a line from the product data sheet.

Major constituents are inherently biodegradable. The volatile constituents will oxidize rapidly by photochemical reactions in air.
.

That doesn't help upstream dust or storage issues though.
The mixing before also reduces chances of meter gumming due to uneven application.

 

[lanwickum]

There is a polymer BASF is working on. Seed guy was talking about this. Keeps dust build up way down on seed. Makes grain flow better. They did a few simple tests and grain did flow fast/better with polymer. Water soluble. They did do germ test to make sure. He figured $0.50/bu and should be dropping in price over time. A new product. I will be using airbrakes this year and wondering if it will be worth adding. Anyone know if it can be added to fertilizer? May even keep urea more stable until it got moisture on it? They were trying to talk BASF into giving it to customers when they buy BASF products. We will see about that. He seemed excited about using it and was hoping to use on all seed they treat.

 

[WilgerIndustries]

There is a polymer BASF is working on. Seed guy was talking about this. Keeps dust build up way down on seed. Makes grain flow better. They did a few simple tests and grain did flow fast/better with polymer. Water soluble. They did do germ test to make sure. He figured $0.50/bu and should be dropping in price over time. A new product. I will be using airbrakes this year and wondering if it will be worth adding. Anyone know if it can be added to fertilizer? May even keep urea more stable until it got moisture on it? They were trying to talk BASF into giving it to customers when they buy BASF products. We will see about that. He seemed excited about using it and was hoping to use on all seed they treat.

I had heard a little bit about that as well. I'd hope that it will actually be something that isn't going to have any supply issues up where guys want to use it. I might even talk to my BASF guy and see if he has any info as to where/when this is going to be available.

Very interesting about the veggie oil. Heck, even if used restaurant oil worked, I'm sure every town's little chinese restaurant would never have any issue when they wanted to drain their oil off. (Except most of the small town chinese restaurants probably have the same oil from when they opened the restaurant lol)

 

[Snipe]

There is a polymer BASF is working on. Seed guy was talking about this. Keeps dust build up way down on seed. Makes grain flow better. They did a few simple tests and grain did flow fast/better with polymer. Water soluble. They did do germ test to make sure. He figured $0.50/bu and should be dropping in price over time. A new product. I will be using airbrakes this year and wondering if it will be worth adding. Anyone know if it can be added to fertilizer? May even keep urea more stable until it got moisture on it? They were trying to talk BASF into giving it to customers when they buy BASF products. We will see about that. He seemed excited about using it and was hoping to use on all seed they treat.

I think this coating was or is meant for Neonictonoids to keep the bee people happy.

 

[WilgerIndustries]

I think this coating was or is meant for Neonictonoids to keep the bee people happy.

Haha, if that is the case, then don't tell BASF it has an alternate use. They'll charge more for it.

 

[V876]

I've put this idea out to a couple of my go to agronomic fertilizer guys, will be interesting what they come up with.
Neither one had an answer off the top of their head.

Looking forward to the reply, on the surface it seems to have many positives.
Are they looking into cost as well?

 

[kenworth man]

Interesting thought. Less dust, no rust, could be what they call a " game changer " How long have guys been playing around with this? The advantages to farmers would be significant, but everything from manufacturing to trucking to retailers would see significant benefits. I would love to see even a reduction in corrosion damage to augers,trailers, and seed cart. Just waiting for a call to haul some blend out today, will ask Richardson retailer if they have heard of this.

 

[Don Boles]

Looking forward to the reply, on the surface it seems to have many positives.
Are they looking into cost as well?

Doubt it.
At the 15$ a tonne gm quotes the offsetting advantage seems cheap.

Just had funny thought gm, do they charge 15$ AND weight it?
That would add 3.36 to 600$ blend.

Let you know when I do from my fert guys.

 

[snapper21]

Trickled in 6 bags of dry all into a b train of canola blend while binning it. Can't figure why I didn't do it at the plant. Ammonium sulfate seems to be the worst for finding moisture. Maybe worse than urea. Adding oil may hamper dust but I wonder if it would ameliorate taking on moisture.

 

[Don Boles]

Adding oil may hamper dust but I wonder if it would ameliorate

Had to look that one up!

 

[Don Boles]

Flash!

Just remembered, about 25 years ago someone was working on a system to apply oil in the unloading auger on a combine to reduce dust.
The idea obviously never flew, logistics my guess, can't remember rate though.

Anyone remember that?