Big Bud new build
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The Twin Turbo Aftercooled version of the C18 is
rated at 800 HP.
I believe that would be, three cylinders delivering exhaust into one turbo and three cylinders into the other turbo with both turbos pressurizing a common intake manifold involving all six cylinders. Like an old Allis Chalmers?
https://www.wpowerproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Cat-C18-Industrial-Spec-Sheet.pdf
rated at 800 HP.
I believe that would be, three cylinders delivering exhaust into one turbo and three cylinders into the other turbo with both turbos pressurizing a common intake manifold involving all six cylinders. Like an old Allis Chalmers?
https://www.wpowerproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Cat-C18-Industrial-Spec-Sheet.pdf
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Versatile production tractors are now over a million $ for the 620 DT, this one off will be well over $2M. Basically building a tractor by buying all the parts at retail cost, plus the assembly and fabrication.
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Is one scheduled for Nebraska Tractor Test?
Had to be asked.
Should produce some interesting results.
Had to be asked.
Should produce some interesting results.
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I don’t believe it won’t cost more then Green or Red. Sounds like 700 plus Hp coming for 2024 out of Red and Lime Green on tracks. If those tractors don’t pull what you’re trying to pull not sure you need to pull it.
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I’d love to get a Big Bud with 4 tracks, would be able to utilize the power without compaction.
🤷🏼♂️ guess time will tell. Will depend on the profit margin they want to work off of.
Development cost alone, even using off-the-shelf mining gear, is going to be very expensive and they won't be able to amortize the development costs over very many units. I don't see how they can come out cheaper than the big boys.
We've often thought about prototyping our own large equipment but realized the cost would be exorbitant.
We've often thought about prototyping our own large equipment but realized the cost would be exorbitant.
Very true. Just imagine the amount of man hours it would take to build and design a tractor like that without the specialized tooling and assembly lines. The only place I can see farmers actually make equipment cheaper is if it is specialized or electronic. For that sort of stuff the price mostly makes up the software and rarity. For example people can build autosteers with agopengps andseveral hundred dollars of parts vs thousands of dollars for commercial units.
Yes they are making big bucks now. But they've spent millions of dollars to make the tooling in order to produce the machines in a cost effective way. And they sell hundreds, sometimes thousands of units. If you only sell tens of units, the calculus is very different because of the up-front costs.
Will be interesting to see what they come up with. I'm sure they can buy cabs from the big companies just like a lot of sprayer manufacturers do, so at least they can have a comfortable machine, although I'm sure the cabs are not cheap to buy.
We should put a poll on this thread regarding the expected sticker price. I'm guessing at least $1m USD.
Will be interesting to see what they come up with. I'm sure they can buy cabs from the big companies just like a lot of sprayer manufacturers do, so at least they can have a comfortable machine, although I'm sure the cabs are not cheap to buy.
We should put a poll on this thread regarding the expected sticker price. I'm guessing at least $1m USD.
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Bjtjjl do you know if they will be putting tracks under it?
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They will still have to fallow emission laws.
It’s sucks but true.
It’s sucks but true.
With regard to emissions, depends on where they are selling but they may not have to follow the same rules. I remember talking to the Belarus guy at Ag in motion a few years ago and he mentioned that they dont have to worry about emissions as that only comes in when a certain number of units are sold. Below the threshold it's classified as a specialist machine and the therefore doesn't have to be follow the emissions stuff.
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I wish Big Tractor all the best. But there’s going to be ECUs on engines and transmissions and that means techs with lab tops to fix or farmers buy the software and struggle their way though fixing it. I’ve seen enough versatile owners struggle with parts and service in last 5 years to kill my desire to run off brand. Not much fun setting for days waiting for service or part’s during go time.
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Sad but true. They would have to setup a dealer network.
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I'm not sure that I entirely agree with the costing thoughts that some of you guys have. Considering that it doesn't sound like they will be using castings (a note in the article stated 1-1/2" plate), there shouldn't be much for tooling costs, as the steel plate would be laser/plasma/waterjet cut and subsequently bolted or welded together. As long as the assembly shop has adequate lifting equipment, assembly shouldn't be too arduous. Also, without all the electronic equipment (other than the ECM and maybe TCM) assembly would be made that much easier without having to worry about routing and fastening. Also, given that they sound like they would build a large frame, there should be adequate room for tools to actually get things together (and later apart for repairs) - thinking of a T9 NH tractor where I had to replace a hydraulic line at the rear of the engine and above the trans. Had to work blind just at the end of my reach
As for a dealer network, if they are using purchased CAT equipment, I would think that any shop with CAT experience would be able to work on it.
With those things in mind, I could see how the MSRP could be very competitive with the other major brands.
As for a dealer network, if they are using purchased CAT equipment, I would think that any shop with CAT experience would be able to work on it.
With those things in mind, I could see how the MSRP could be very competitive with the other major brands.
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