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Looking at a new drill. Which one? Like option to stay 10 inch spacing with Bourgault by using mrb's to improve trash flow but not sure about maintenance on mrb's. Allows me to use narrow openers. Contour is much simpler but don't like wide openers on 12" spacing in dry conditions. I would stay 12" with contour to improve trash flow. I like the Bourgault tank a lot better than the Morris. I am considering Bourgault tank on Contour drill but I need sectional control and I am not sure it will work with Bourgault tank on Morris drill. Thoughts? Most worried about mrb maintenance with Bourgault and wide openers on Contour in dry conditions.
 

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plan to spend a day prior to seeding checking all the bearing on the mrbs & changing.. you will get really good at though.. I load them with grease about 10 pumps every 20 hrs (when i fuel up) 500 acres..
 

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The new mrb 3 series have an automotive hub, grease once a year. Why couldn't you go 10 inch with th Morris? I have never looked at one that close.
 

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I have never checked or replaced a bearing on borgault MRB's in 21000 acres. I grease them till grease comes out past seal every 50 hours.

Grabbed disks at end of this year and still no play in the bearing. Greasing heavy and often keeps the dirt out of the bearings.

For me MRB maintenance is a non issue.
 

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Have 27,000 acres on my 3310 grease till grease come out and go seed. Some disks behind wheels will need to be changed for next year.
 

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With bearings and disks its just a matter of time before trouble and there a pain to work on. If you go Morris I don't think you want the 10in spacing with the paired row, I'm running the Morris with 12" spacing and the paired row and it works well.
 

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All the information i can give you is what i hear from other guys but if you are looking for a versatile drill, go bourgault all around. Any tank any air stream, double shoot along with liquid or anhydrous through banders, banders up/down with a flip of a switch, KNEX system lets you run tanks into other tanks for more flexibility. If you are a strictly Urea, seed, phos blend kind of guy then i think a Bourgault drill with a Morris Cart would be a nice match. From what i saw at the Farm Progress Show, Morris has the best Sectional hands down. Morris also has decent clean out and have heard there tanks are extremely accurate. Hope that helps
 

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Demoed a Morris tank - difficult/slow cleanout, with four tank cart need to use all four meters (my biggest issue) otherwise a good cart. Has anybody had issues with trash clearance on a 10" Bourgault with mrb's up?
 

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We ran the Morris contour on twelve inch space for three years. The tank cracked and the 10" loading auger was incredibly slow. very accurate metering. drill was good but you dont want to go to 10" or it will be like dragging a very heavy rake around the field.
We now run a bourgault and wish I would have gone with the 3320 years ago.
 

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You should go by your NH dealer and look at the P2070 independent opener. Ours gave us the best stand we've ever had under the toughest, wettest, soggiest conditions ever. Even through the tractor tracks. Smooth finish also.

John
 

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SouthAlta, just curious when you say the auger was slow; what are you comparing it to. Did you have Morris come out and check pressures or flow rates for you?
KLAJB, I am confused about the need to use all 4 meters. I thought the Bourgault also had 1 meter for each tank as well. 4 tanks of product should have 4 metering systems shouldn't it?
I have heard that 10" spacing paired row does move quite a bit of dirt and that they recommend side band boots on that spacing if you are not single shoot. It would take less HP to move 12" spacing paired row though wouldnt it?

Good luck with your purchase KLAJB.
 

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Definitely do not consider Morris with 10" spacing. I think it's dumb it's even offered. 12" with paired row in dry conditions has never been an issue with us, wouldn't worry about it. What is your concern? I use a 3.5" Dutch opener with NH3. Is a better opener than the Morris. Have an old 7300 tank so don't know about the new tanks but I think Morris tanks are very accurate. Have no experience with Bourgault and the ones around me do a good job too, but I can't see that they're any better or worse than my drill, but that can be said about all the drills around me. I've always liked the MRB concept. I would like to try them on 12" spacing with about a 2" opener. I seed peas with a 1" opener and the difference in soil throw is significant which is a major problem with these drills.
 

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If you're going new or newer 3320, it will have series III banders. There is little to no maintenance involved with these, especially in season. Bearings are non issues anymore. Very easy to set now with shims and hydraulically controlled. One lever to locked them up as well for use in pulses which is VERY handy. Sectional control on bourgault seems to be getting its kinks worked out pretty good.
 

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I have a Morris Contour on 12 inch.. I went from the split boot to a dutch side band boot.. the split boot on 12 inches moves too much dirt if you travel any faster then 4mph. with the side band the dirt throw is next to nothing and I get a much better finish at higher speeds..
also by going to the Dutch openers there isn't as much bull dozing by the shank
Now I want to get narrower round/V'ed packer wheels as the 4'' flat ones aren't doing the packing I want.
when I changed boots I offset the openers so the seed is in the middle of the packer instead of on the outside edge.. the theory is: so there isn't as much dirt falling onto the seeds especially when seeding canola.

anyone out there want to trade packer wheels ???
 

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I have a Morris Contour on 12 inch.. I went from the split boot to a dutch side band boot.. the split boot on 12 inches moves too much dirt if you travel any faster then 4mph. with the side band the dirt throw is next to nothing and I get a much better finish at higher speeds..
also by going to the Dutch openers there isn't as much bull dozing by the shank
Now I want to get narrower round/V'ed packer wheels as the 4'' flat ones aren't doing the packing I want.
when I changed boots I offset the openers so the seed is in the middle of the packer instead of on the outside edge.. the theory is: so there isn't as much dirt falling onto the seeds especially when seeding canola.

anyone out there want to trade packer wheels ???

How fast do you seed now, and how did you offset the openers? How do you put down your N? Thanks.
 

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We have seen Nh drill in action. Very poor depth adjustment. Tow between tank is too small. Price is appealing compared to other precision drills.
 

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arcolak - Bourgault has knex system. You can run whole tank through 3 meters. Even down to 2 meters if you leave out smaller tank

tswanson - just worried about moisture conservation when opening up the soil with large openers.
 

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How fast do you seed now, and how did you offset the openers? How do you put down your N? Thanks.
dutch made inserts(to go where the morris opener is bolted between 2 flat piece of metal(shank).. the dutch opener is bolted to the outside of the split shank with the seed being blown to the middle of the packer wheel..

I use NH3 with a dutch injector behind the opener.. I run tiny plastic lines(less then 1/4 inch od) to the injectors..

the system works good, I'd just like more direct packing on the seed .. in cereals I can run any speed as dirt throw isn't an issue(usually going 5.5 - 6mph).. in canola I slow down to about 4.5 - 5mph.
 

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dutch made inserts(to go where the morris opener is bolted between 2 flat piece of metal(shank).. the dutch opener is bolted to the outside of the split shank with the seed being blown to the middle of the packer wheel..

I use NH3 with a dutch injector behind the opener.. I run tiny plastic lines(less then 1/4 inch od) to the injectors..

the system works good, I'd just like more direct packing on the seed .. in cereals I can run any speed as dirt throw isn't an issue(usually going 5.5 - 6mph).. in canola I slow down to about 4.5 - 5mph.
Very interesting Northernfarmer. I'm running the same lines for NH3. Might have to try this when my openers are worn out. Thanks.
 
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