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Anyone on here get to run or see the new bourgault 3820 work this spring?? Thinking pretty seriously about trading the paralink on one but would like to hear some feedback. I know there was only a handful out this year.
 

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I'm very interested to see one run. Parallel link and hydraulic downforce seems to be a step up from the 1890 I have without losing the features that I like. The packer wheels would go on Kijiji after being replaced by a proper spiked closing wheel, but as long as the firming wheel does the job it should, I think there is finally an option out there instead of the Deere. Case had a chance to do it right with the 500 but without in furrow seed firming I didn't even price one out.
 

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I asked about spiked closing wheels since I really like them on my 1895. They claimed to have tried them and said they were too aggressive. Which the extreme compound angle vs the deere could change that a bit i suppose. I do like how the angle of the packer can be adjusted, helps with possibilities down the road.
I too feel its a heavier built deere with parallel link and the compound angle. Has a lot of potential
 

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What really gets me excited about it is the active hydraulic down pressure using a load cell on one of the depth wheels. We have highly varying soil conditions so be able to keep the openers in the ground consistently would be a big deal.
 

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What really gets me excited about it is the active hydraulic down pressure using a load cell on one of the depth wheels. We have highly varying soil conditions so be able to keep the openers in the ground consistently would be a big deal.
We had that on a seedmaster drill. As the season went by it was nice to know how things were changing. But I honestly dont think it made much of a difference within the same field. It is cool technology tho and I'm sure on some farms it makes sense
 

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There is no way I'd spend $150k on the planter option (heard that is what it costs) when you can buy a good used planter for less than that and do the job right. You can probably buy a good planter and a fertilizer spreader for that price and have yourself a lot more flexibility. Or go out and put fertilizer openers on the planter. I can't stand that everyone still thinks there aren't options to get fertilizer separately placed with planters. Mine is a 1997 and came with sidebanding single disc fertilizer openers on it.


And if you are willing to spend the money, you can have row by row controlled individual hydraulic downforce on a planter and individual row shutoffs and variable rate with turn compensation. Dawn actually has in cab depth control and firming wheel/closing adjustment. So if you think the Bourgault is complex, just look what you can bolt onto a planter these days!

Regarding closing wheels, the SDX had a compound angle and benefited from spiked closers so I would still want to try it out. I was closing the trench in wet foxtail barley sod yesterday with my cast notched Deere wheels and I don't think it would have with a rubber packer, but would be nice to see work side by side. Now if only someone would actually bring one in as a demo...
 

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I don't think it will be a big mover myself, like others have said, there is a tool already made for the job that does it exactly as intended. Might be a few sell off the get go out of curiosity/bragging rights/trial, but don't think they have hit a home run with it.
 

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I don't think it will be a big mover myself, like others have said, there is a tool already made for the job that does it exactly as intended. Might be a few sell off the get go out of curiosity/bragging rights/trial, but don't think they have hit a home run with it.
Keep in mind I was initially asking about the opener itself. I dont care about the planter option it doesnt fit my operation at that price today. But likely going to order the 3820 without it.
 

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Regarding closing wheels, the SDX had a compound angle and benefited from spiked closers so I would still want to try it out. I was closing the trench in wet foxtail barley sod yesterday with my cast notched Deere wheels and I don't think it would have with a rubber packer, but would be nice to see work side by side. Now if only someone would actually bring one in as a demo...
That's a good point, would have to look at an sdx again to remind myself how their closing wheel worked. I know they had a huge 22.5" disc, what were the opener angles?? 5 & 5 maybe??
 

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We just bought a 3820 with the 9950 cart. Got it with the planter option. We’ve run 3710/20’s for about 7-8 years now and they are by far the dominant drill in our area. With corn starting to move into our area in southern Manitoba we needed to replace our planter with something with more efficiency. The cost of the air planter option (60’) brand new was less than most decent quality used 40’ planters. Granted, the planter itself may not be as exact as an actual planter, but for doing canola, soybeans, corn and sunflowers it will be just fine. It also allows us to plant beans and canola on 10” spacing, something I don’t think any other planters can do. The planting unit drives are made by topcon and have turn compensation, individual on/off and variable rate built in. And we know that the Bourgault carts work well, the 3720 was an excellent design for our conditions and as long as the firmer wheel can stay clean, this should work even better. As far as a one pass option for planting or volumetric seeding and putting all your fertility requirements down exactly where you need them I haven’t found a more versatile option out there. From what I understand there will only be 12 planter units produced for this upcoming year so I wouldn’t hold out much hope of seeing a demo next year unless one of your neighbours scoops one up.

By the way, our old planter that we’re replacing is a 1977 7000 Early Rise Deere. Even that thing has side banding for the fert, although ours has double disc openers for it.
 

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We just bought a 3820 with the 9950 cart. Got it with the planter option. We’ve run 3710/20’s for about 7-8 years now and they are by far the dominant drill in our area. With corn starting to move into our area in southern Manitoba we needed to replace our planter with something with more efficiency. The cost of the air planter option (60’) brand new was less than most decent quality used 40’ planters. Granted, the planter itself may not be as exact as an actual planter, but for doing canola, soybeans, corn and sunflowers it will be just fine. It also allows us to plant beans and canola on 10” spacing, something I don’t think any other planters can do. The planting unit drives are made by topcon and have turn compensation, individual on/off and variable rate built in. And we know that the Bourgault carts work well, the 3720 was an excellent design for our conditions and as long as the firmer wheel can stay clean, this should work even better. As far as a one pass option for planting or volumetric seeding and putting all your fertility requirements down exactly where you need them I haven’t found a more versatile option out there. From what I understand there will only be 12 planter units produced for this upcoming year so I wouldn’t hold out much hope of seeing a demo next year unless one of your neighbours scoops one up.

By the way, our old planter that we’re replacing is a 1977 7000 Early Rise Deere. Even that thing has side banding for the fert, although ours has double disc openers for it.
bump. Just wondering if or when you get using this unit to please let us know what you thought. most interested in how well the new opener works versus the 3720
 

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Second day running the unit, after some considerable issues the first day mostly due to having to run some new software. First impressions, this opener and mud do not get along well. The 3720 could handle mud alright, this thing not so much. And the opener is harder to unplug when it does fill with mud. That said, the seed placement on this opener is much better than the 3720. We ran seed brakes on the old drill which we found to help quite a bit, this drill doesn’t have brakes and it’s better still. The combination of the large swept back scraper and boot, and the firmer wheel seem to work very well together. Haven’t used the planter yet but it’s going to take some cleaning out of the planter boots after a trip into the mud. I’ll spend some time in here and let you know if my opinion changes.
 

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I’ve got about 1200 acres in now and I’m trying to think of an area where the 3720 is better than this machine and I can’t really come up with anything. The seed depth consistency is really impressive, mind you I don’t have any experience with the newer openers on the 3720 with the firmer fingers. Maybe that helps but this thing is just flat out impressive. We were nervous that maybe the firmer wheel would roll up and start picking up seed out of the trench but after hitting a few holes I can say that the firmer wheel is the last of your problems in mud. It’s super flexible and sheds mud quickly. If you’re quick enough turning off the down pressure on the openers when you do hit mud and just drive straight through without turning with the openers in the ground they don’t seem to plug either. We’ve got a 9950 cart with the individual scales and that thing is great. The scales are surprisingly accurate, I don’t miss having the cameras at all because the scales do a better job of telling you how far you can go than the cameras ever could. This may be premature but at this point I’d have to say bourgault may have killed the 3720 by putting this drill out. Planting corn and sunflowers starting Monday/Tuesday so I’ll be back after that.
 

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I’ve got about 1200 acres in now and I’m trying to think of an area where the 3720 is better than this machine and I can’t really come up with anything. The seed depth consistency is really impressive, mind you I don’t have any experience with the newer openers on the 3720 with the firmer fingers. Maybe that helps but this thing is just flat out impressive. We were nervous that maybe the firmer wheel would roll up and start picking up seed out of the trench but after hitting a few holes I can say that the firmer wheel is the last of your problems in mud. It’s super flexible and sheds mud quickly. If you’re quick enough turning off the down pressure on the openers when you do hit mud and just drive straight through without turning with the openers in the ground they don’t seem to plug either. We’ve got a 9950 cart with the individual scales and that thing is great. The scales are surprisingly accurate, I don’t miss having the cameras at all because the scales do a better job of telling you how far you can go than the cameras ever could. This may be premature but at this point I’d have to say bourgault may have killed the 3720 by putting this drill out. Planting corn and sunflowers starting Monday/Tuesday so I’ll be back after that.
Did you find this drill cuts any better than the 3720? Still struggling with hair pinning on ours. I see theyve increased the lateral compound angle from 5 to 7. Still wish they would offer a spiked closing wheel.
 
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