[Baudy]

It appears that Bourgault has settled with AAFC and PAMI.

Joint Information Notice


I imagine this news should fix the poor resale market for all those used, over-priced Bourgault drills. After all, who would ever get tired of seed pulsing out of the beloved bourgault carts or the super awesome distribution system that is not very good at distributing seed but does a great job of damaging seed or the fact that their 5810 is STILL a glorified cultivator or the fact that their sectional control looks like the most complicated thing you ever saw.

:sFun_doh2:


Bourgault should send CNH a big Christmas present EVERY year for screwing up Flexi-coil. No other way Bourgault could have gotten so much market share.

 

[Baudy]

Is there an easy way to move this thread to another category? It should be under seeding or crop prod.

 

[SWFarmService]

This is as good of a spot as any as most look at active topics anyway.

 

[wheatking]

It appears that Bourgault has settled with AAFC and PAMI.

Joint Information Notice


I imagine this news should fix the poor resale market for all those used, over-priced Bourgault drills. After all, who would ever get tired of seed pulsing out of the beloved bourgault carts or the super awesome distribution system that is not very good at distributing seed but does a great job of damaging seed or the fact that their 5810 is STILL a glorified cultivator or the fact that their sectional control looks like the most complicated thing you ever saw.

:sFun_doh2:


Bourgault should send CNH a big Christmas present EVERY year for screwing up Flexi-coil. No other way Bourgault could have gotten so much market share.

Did Bourgault wrong you in some way, the vitriol in your post is a bit much.

That being said I have used MRB's in the past and I am indifferent, you have to carry around a lot of weight for marginal gain IMO. I am not sure of MRB's starving crops of N in dry years as the article that was in dispute stated. I am suspect of the MRB's starving my crops of N in extremely wet years, though I have no way to prove it other then anecdotal evidence. Other then that they make excellent tanks and drills and have 80% of the market in our area.

 

[NESASK]

Go ahead and ***** about Bourgault some more, us here in the northeast still grow 60 bushel canola and great pulses with that POS metering and distribution system

 

[SWFarmService]

Man, take off the holy white bg underpants:sFun_DeadHorse:

The best thing for anyone is to hope BG reads this, they may even come up with something all of us would like, the first statement is accurate even if he is unhappy about. If ya like it use it, but there is definitely room for improvement especially for the price tag.

 

[meskie]

Man, take off the holy white bg underpants:sFun_DeadHorse:

The best thing for anyone is to hope BG reads this, they may even come up with something all of us would like, the first statement is accurate even if he is unhappy about. If ya like it use it, but there is definitely room for improvement especially for the price tag.

Maybe but I can't run to the factory of any other drill and get any part I need

 

[NESASK]

Bourgault should send CNH a big Christmas present EVERY year for screwing up Flexi-coil. No other way Bourgault could have gotten so much market share.

You know why Bourgault has so much market share? Because its simple and it works. Farmers got so sick of seeding with discers and finicky as **** box drills that they would rather blow seed through a giant tube at a 1000 mph just so they didn't have to deal with all that crap. Once everyone realized that the crops from seeder to seeder didn't differ, bourgault gained market share, not because of flexicoil, end of story.:6:

 

[Don Boles]

Is there an easy way to move this thread to another category? It should be under seeding or crop prod.

Done

 

[Don Boles]

Once everyone realized that the crops from seeder to seeder didn't differ, bourgault gained market share, not because of flexicoil, end of story.:6:

So let me get this straight.
Bourgault gained nothing from CNH quickly running Flexi-Coil into the ground?
Really?
Easter bunny treat you well?
Santa Claus generous last Christmas?
Tooth fairy up to date?

 

[SWFarmService]

Maybe but I can't run to the factory of any other drill and get any part I need

That is not just convenient, it is a valuable reason to own something!


I just think BG needs to realize no one is perfect but if no one says anything to them that they have problems why should they do anything at all, this is an important step to making something better. They don't get that from people that just stand back and say its a good product.


If they go to work on trying to improve their problems who knows, I might be their next new customer, if they put their heads together, listen to what people have to say they might come up with something that all of us might like.


Getting in a fight with researchers does no one any good in my opinion, to my understanding it was quite unbiased, seemed fairly accurate, its not like midrow banders wasn't a good improvement from systems we had before so can we keep moving forward with research to get us to the next big thing??


This is my opinion, if the wheels fall off your new pick up are you going to tell the salesman you like the new cup holder??:hits-the-fan:

 

[blackhawk35]

I agree cnh destroyed flexicoil, BG is a heavy, good quality drill with great meter system and good quality tanks. CNH tanks are garbage: tank lid seals garbage, meter system all plastic junk, tank plastic junk, air system junk, auger was too short on my tank, hard to move. I could go on and on

 

[Baudy]

So let me get this straight.
Bourgault gained nothing from CNH quickly running Flexi-Coil into the ground?
Really?
Easter bunny treat you well?
Santa Claus generous last Christmas?
Tooth fairy up to date?

Firstly, Thanks for moving this Don.

We seed with two Bourgault units. I see the results of uneven metering in the field. I love how simple the augers are but I don't like the results. I also hate how hard it is to fine tune seeding rate on Canola.

I am amazed at the technology FC developed in their time and I think that my next drill is likely to be a FC 5000 or 5500. I think between a good opener, seed brakes and making sure the unit is dialed in right that it would be hard to beat those drills for overall performance and cost per acre.

 

[Don Boles]

Firstly, Thanks for moving this Don.

We seed with two Bourgault units. I see the results of uneven metering in the field. I love how simple the augers are but I don't like the results. I also hate how hard it is to fine tune seeding rate on Canola.

I am amazed at the technology CFC developed in their time and I think that my next drill is likely to be a FC 5000 or 5500. I think between a good opener, seed brakes and making sure the unit is dialed in right that it would be hard to beat those drills for overall performance and cost per acre.

You're welcome.

I generally agree however my drill has the 2015 version non-sectional control plumbing and it seems quite acceptable, although I'm too old to be doing intensive plant counts but the ballpark looks fine.

It does seem CNH is back in the game now if the new carts are any indication, value for money is another topic.

 

[BrianTee]

I never understood the the desire to plant wild oats and weeds with a MRB and fertilizing them with lots of nitrogen as a great agronomic strategy. But i was wrong because now the judgement, er i mean the 'science', proves it is.

 

[meskie]

I never understood the the desire to plant wild oats and weeds with a MRB and fertilizing them with lots of nitrogen as a great agronomic strategy. But i was wrong because now the judgement, er i mean the 'science', proves it is.

I never understood the desire to rip up the seedbed with a dual knife or a side band opener...... But use what you like and what works for you. We have never had a crop failure because of the drill or tank we have used.

 

[BrianTee]

I never understood the desire to rip up the seedbed with a dual knife or a side band opener...... But use what you like and what works for you. We have never had a crop failure because of the drill or tank we have used.

Obviously PAMI found out something but didn't have good enough lawyers to let us in on it.

 

[mixtupfarmer]

What do you do BrianTee?

I'd like to know the right way to do things.

 

[windchill]

I never understood the the desire to plant wild oats and weeds with a MRB and fertilizing them with lots of nitrogen as a great agronomic strategy. But i was wrong because now the judgement, er i mean the 'science', proves it is.

I'm not gonna argue for or against the MRB, as an owner I think I am familiar with the pros and cons however I find this typical MRB weed feeding bash kinda strange. So maybe you can answer a few questions so I can understand the rational behind this.

Do you not spray your weeds? If you do, do you wait a month until the weeds are quite large?
Do your weeds only grow in the middle of the seeds rows therefor keeping well away from your fertilizer band?
Have you looked into the agronomy of hot nitrogen bands and the weeks it takes for nitrogen to be converted into usable form?

I like to look at my neighbors fields as well and year after year their weeds come up in the seed row and in between just like mine. Drier years they mostly come up in the seed row and wheel tracks just like mine.

 

[SWFarmService]

We ran a mid row setup for some time, about 10 years, we had a parallel link coulter style setup followed by a very narrow knife, it was somewhat of a homemade system using yetter parts so it differed from BG's set up quite a bit.

The little movement of it slicing through the dirt really seemed to seed the weeds, 70% of the weeds emerged within an inch and a half to each side of the opening.

It also seemed it took till the next year to recover the N, its not like it was far away but maybe just enough? I really don't know.

I liked them for a few important reasons, they took seemingly no power at all vs at the time Anderson openers were the in thing and took a ton of power and if it was dry the field finish was horrible, not only that but they made the field down right ruff where as my narrow chrome sweep plus the banders left everything smooth. Only disturbing the top 2" I thought was valuable plus the cutting of the residue made the old concord go through trash like never before. Also I liked there really isn't that much too it and just having half the hoses was nice.

We run a seed master and I am very happy with the side band system, it has a much faster response to nitrogen, I feel if I double shoot sulfur it can be taken in by the plant faster being close. I like how it beaks up the ground in front of the seed knife, seems it causes the roots to make more progress and also how the two knives leave that nice black strip tossing a bit of dirt on last years chaff and stubble helping it break down.

I wouldn't go back to mid rows but I am excited to see what they come up with next, I have been doing research on taking NH3 off the seeder and side dressing it with an ag synergy side bander, I think something like that might be the next big thing to be more efficient with nitrogen but I guess time will tell what will be the next big thing