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Planted round up ready canola for the first time this year. Have it on two different areas. The first field has been in for almost 2 weeks. Some of the seed is up and other places it doesn't look like anything was planted. Some spots have a small plant here and there but I can't even really see a defined row. I planted about 3/4 to 1 inch deep as recommended by my supplier. Ground was dry when planted then we had .5 inch rain the next day. Ground seemed very hard after the rain. Then about a week later we had another .3 inches and the ground was softer. The other field I planted about 4 days later and 6 miles away looks better. I didn't change a thing on the drill. I only got about 5 lbs. of seed per acre on instead of the 5.5 lbs. Now the weeds are coming and I am so sick to my stomach I don't even know if I should waist the time spraying it. (I will but it sure hurts.) What happened, was the ground too hard, too dry? Do I have any hope left or am I just screwed out of all my money? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Planted round up ready canola for the first time this year. Have it on two different areas. The first field has been in for almost 2 weeks. Some of the seed is up and other places it doesn't look like anything was planted. Some spots have a small plant here and there but I can't even really see a defined row. I planted about 3/4 to 1 inch deep as recommended by my supplier. Ground was dry when planted then we had .5 inch rain the next day. Ground seemed very hard after the rain. Then about a week later we had another .3 inches and the ground was softer. The other field I planted about 4 days later and 6 miles away looks better. I didn't change a thing on the drill. I only got about 5 lbs. of seed per acre on instead of the 5.5 lbs. Now the weeds are coming and I am so sick to my stomach I don't even know if I should waist the time spraying it. (I will but it sure hurts.) What happened, was the ground too hard, too dry? Do I have any hope left or am I just screwed out of all my money? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks![/QUOTE
]it sounds like the issue with my rr canola
 

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Mine is the same. Have rr and 5440. Some areas ok some nothing yet. Found some that has just germinated in the past week. Been in a while.
 

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Best thing is to not even look at canola for awhile after you sow it. It always seems to come patchy and uneven but it all will soon even out. I'm sure it will be fine. I sow at 5lbs per acre and maybe a half inch deep, even less if there is moisture.
 

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Mine looked good until the flea-beetles found it.;)

Seriously though, I have found that the best way to know if you have a bad seed-lot is to make sure every one of your lots is planted beside another one in the same field. That way if something isn't right at least you can eliminate one variable.

Like others said you might be surprised how much will come later. Hopefully it isn't cutworms or something like that.
 

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My 5440 looks like crap too! Seeded 4.8 lbs./Ac. and 1/2 inch deep, then a 3 inch monsoon let loose on it buried it in all kinds of dirt. Some washed away, some drowned out, others are starting to emerge in rows. Luckily we have been getting 2 and 3 tenth showers to keep the crust soft enough for it to come through. Weeds are coming fast and plentiful too!!! Sprayer will be out there next week and we will thin things out a bit.
 

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How much fertilizer did you use? And how was it applied? In furrow? Our stand looks great but if It doesn't quit raining it won't make 20.
 

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I put down 80 lbs. of a canola blend starter fertilizer with the seed. I can't remember exactly what the blend was off hand. I also put down 80 pounds of actual N using NH3. I have a 3212 Concord with 4 inch wide Dutch openers. I hope some of you are right about it being ok. I think I will spray it, pray for rain and not look at it for another 2 weeks. Just a bad way to start my farming career. Lost Dad last summer and now I am trying to make a go of it. Need every penny I can get as we all do. Thanks for the input fellas. Any other ideas I am reading.
 

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Take care of your weeds early, you can often be surprised by how a terrible stand can produce $$ under the right conditions. Sorry to hear of your loss.
 

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3212 not the best thing to seed canola with, but if u seeded it shallow, it will come up, only need one plant per foot to get a good crop, has nothing to do with the variety. Always better to seed it shallow and wait for moisture than put it to deep into the moisture. Anything deeper than 2 inches will likely not come up or be very weak when it does come out. Fertilizer program looks great. Spray weeds early, but let them come out of the ground first, I jumped the gun by a few days last year and ended up spraying 3 times, in the past, I have gotten by with 1 pass, most of the time 2 passes.
 

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where does the nh3 go with the Dutch opener? I have farmland cast sweeps with a back swept knife for nh3 and have good stands with 5 lbs with my 2412 concorde (up to 80 lbs nh3 and 150 dry) so it should fill in. Canola takes a while to show the rows.
 

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The NH3 goes in the middle of the 2 seed rows about 1 to 1.5 inches below the seed. I was worried about planting the seed too deep and probably spent more time looking for seed the first day then actually planting. I know it was not any more than 1 inch deep. (Canola at about 1 inch and wheat at about 1.5 inches) I am not sure about the dutch openers yet. The gentleman I bought the drill from says he always planted canola with it and it did a great job? I also planted wheat and had a heck of a time finding the seed. It was usually at the outer edge of the tires and not always packed. I was concerned when seeding and had a couple different neighbors look at it with me. They all though it would be ok. I talked with the previous owner and he said that is where most of the seed always was for him too. It seems right when you look at a 4 inch y and maybe a 6 inch wide tire but most of the wheat came up ok. Doesn't look as nice as some of the neighbors but I probably have a learning curve with this drill and the wheat was is getting older and probably loosing some of its vigor? New seed next year if I can survive this year. I don't have disc levelers so my height of the plants is a bit deceiving as my ridges are a bit higher than most other concords around. Not sure if I should look into some levelers and maybe a different opener or if these are ok? I just thought the wheat would look at bit different in the rows than what it does. Anyone else use dutch openers like this or any one have any other type that they think would be better. Like I said the gentleman I bought it from said he liked it and not to worry about the wheat. He said as long as there is some dirt over it it will grow even though it doesn't look quite right? Talked with another first time concord owner with the same type of openers and he had a lot of trouble finding seed also but says his came up ok too.
 

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Fertilizer burn and canola bouncing into the nh3 row is the problem. We had those openers on our last drill and they are terrible for canola. Great for wheat. We gave up on them after two years of terrible stands. We sprayed twice and still got pretty good yields but it didn't look like canola should early. If you have any dirt left unseeded do a partial strip with no fertilizer and one with. Pretty sure you'll see a difference. We sure did.
 

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We have the Dutch universal where the nh3 is 3/4 below and comes out the back on one drill and have an absolutley perfect stand with them. It looks like we seeded 10lbs and its actually annoying how thick it is at 5 lbs. Second year on them so its not a fluke and we'd be quite comfortable cutting seed rate. IMO it's just too thick.

Edit: The downside is the gross amount of gassing off with the nh3 out the back.
 

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Looks good right now, but we are now under a frost advisory. So that could change tonight.

We seeded it with 38 degree humidity 2 weeks ago, and now it is frost. :(
 

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This time if year the wheat always looks way better than the canola and every one thinks there is something with the canola. Our neighbour will tell everyone that canola is a weed and can't be grown in this are because it ruins the soil and he's been telling everyone this for 30 years. By July it will boot and look better than the wheat. It looks bad in our area too. Emergence was not that good and the drills didn't work like last year. It's just that last year was already better than this year.
 

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Best thing is go buy a flat of beer and go fishing or to a rodeo for at least a few days. And don't try to look at other peoples crops on the way there. Our ground always has poor looking canola off the bat but it usually fills in and does fine. My drill has paired row stealths and I threaten to replace them but everyone else's canola seems to be the same. When if ever these bloody things will wear out I will change but have to find something immune to rocks other than a disk. We used to have a heck of a time in dry years seeding canola with an air seeder and shovels. Our seeding amounted top reworking and scratching it in and harrowing. When it's wet you can throw it over your back and it grows but when it's dry the better the equipment and job done makes the difference.
 

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I took my disc levelers off and gave them to a neighbor for spares for his 10" drill. They plugged with trash horribly and I just slowed down, its painful to seed @ 4.5 in canola and 5 in wheat but the acres get done and I'm not leaving huge piles of trash and circling to clear the plug. I'll try to post pics of emerging vs established canola in a week or so.
 
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