[Baudy]

I find it irritating that Canola seed is priced in $ per lb and that the TKW can vary a great deal. I had a salesman call about booking canola seed. With early booking discount of $15/bag, Invigor L140P sells at $14.46/lb. Seed size becomes an issue when the seeds are so large that 5lb/acre is not enough to make the recommended plant stand.

For Example,

Assuming the TKW is 6 grams, actual seed in the bag is 95% and seedling survival of 80%, to make a stand of 10 plants per acre you need 7.5 lbs/acre ($108/acre).

That would be fine if every seed survived and every stem was 3/4" across but that is not the case. Plant performance is not always great and its always someone else's fault (never the seed company's).

 

[mchalvorson]

In the corn and soybean industry seed is sold by the seed count (corn 80,000 soybeans 140,000) canola should be the same than seed size is not a issue

 

[Don Boles]

For Example,
Assuming the TKW is 6 grams, actual seed in the bag is 95% and seedling survival of 20%, to make a stand of 10 plants per acre you need 7.5 lbs/acre ($108/acre).

What do you mean by 95% in the bag?
20% survival?
You math works out better for 80%

I am not interested in any seed at 31,878.84 T.

 

[Blue Oval Man]

And they send out e-mails saying you had better get it booked before Oct. 15 to get the best deals and/or acres will be sold out!

 

[Oliver 88]

Canola seed should be sold by the bushel since it's in a 50 pound bag.

$14/pound = $700/bushel

 

[SouthernSK]

Is anyone gung hoe after thus years results and going to pay an extra $15 per acre for 140p over 252, 5440, or 130?

 

[SWMan]

Is anyone gung hoe after thus years results and going to pay an extra $15 per acre for 140p over 252, 5440, or 130?

No, but I will plant some. Not crazy about $13.72 for a pound of canola seed.

I think all of this leads to lower seeding rates and ultimately lower canola acres, which is probably a good thing for everybody in many ways. I won't be growing as much canola going forward as I used to.

I do agree that for the price of this seed it should be sized and sold by seed-count.

 

[Jimb]

Lol buy before Oct 15 before it's sold out. You'd think after 10 years of the same bs line people would learn its shortages are bogus. Also I sure hope you think 140P is worth it, $20/acre more for seed and $20 more extra than rr for chem, you need 4-5 bushels more yield just to break even.

 

[BrianTee]

The power of creative advertising. Farmers are pretty gullible.

 

[SWMan]

Lol buy before Oct 15 before it's sold out. You'd think after 10 years of the same bs line people would learn its shortages are bogus. Also I sure hope you think 140P is worth it, $20/acre more for seed and $20 more extra than rr for chem, you need 4-5 bushels more yield just to break even.

Well by my math it's only about $11/acre more for 3.5# of L140P seed than a premium RR variety. Also an application of 1.35 liters Liberty is about $9.25/acre so even if you 2-pass how does that compare to the TUA and 2 shots of glyphosate? Next how much does it cost to control RR volunteers in soybeans, or in fall, or in a late spring?

Below is a picture of 5440 seeded at 3.5#/acre, 4.68 gram TKW at cotyledon and cabbage. I think there is almost too many seeds and thus am considering going to 3# this year. It would be helpful to know the TKW when making this decision though, which is why the OP has a very valid point.

 

[V876]

I am not interested in any seed at 31,878.84 T.

Wow sometimes you conversions make for an ugly bit of eye opening reality.

 

[Don Boles]

As intended.
Doesn't 31,878.84 seem higher than a mere 722.99?
31.87/kg.

 

[V876]

Yes it truly does, highway robbery either way.

 

[Christian A. Herrnboeck]

This is the reason we cut canola acres in half and are growing Synergy polish.

a 3rd the cost for seed. Less inputs to grow the same bushels. Less insect pressure.


I have a hard time paying 70 an acre for seed 70 an acre for fert 20 an acre for chem... Then having it make 15 bushels an acre worth 9 a bushel. Somehow this doesn't seem right, does it?

 

[SouthernSK]

Bayer will keep charging an extra $15 per acre for varieties like 140p if farmers keep paying for it. From our small plot of 140p i will not be buying it unless it is the same price as 130 and 252.

 

[jaymo]

By giving us all sticker shock with the $14/.lb l140p, now we feel all smug about ourselves when we "stick it to Bayer" by buying the $12/.lb cheap stuff!!!

That is marketing 101 fellas!

 

[Don Boles]

Bayer will keep charging an extra $15 per acre for varieties like 140p if farmers keep paying for it. From our small plot of 140p i will not be buying it unless it is the same price as 130 and 252.

Because 130 and 252 are so cheap!

 

[SouthernSK]

Bayer is trying to extract from us another 4-5% over last years price for the same variety. The problem is we are completely at their mercy if you want yo grow liberty link canola because there is no competition.

 

[jdstsman]

Bayer is trying to extract from us another 4-5% over last years price for the same variety. The problem is we are completely at their mercy if you want yo grow liberty link canola because there is no competition.

Exactly. I refuse to grow RR canola and we already have Clearfield lentils so i don't want Clearfield canola. It would be nice if there was some competition for the Liberty Link system.

 

[Baudy]

Bayer is trying to extract from us another 4-5% over last years price for the same variety. The problem is we are completely at their mercy if you want yo grow liberty link canola because there is no competition.

I heard that Pioneer will have a LL variety for 2016. Hopefully it'll be worth growing.