[mag]

dad has been driving me nuts all winter about the **** pump tractor I don't want to fix( 1270 case) There are lots of 2x90 cases around cheap. They were a decent tractor but what I am wondering is are they open or closed centre hydraulics? Or a hybrid of the 2 types like a red stripe 1086 is?
Thx
Matt

 

[mag]

manure pump not **** pump.

 

[V876]

They are closed center hydrauics

 

[cptusa]

Should be good enough for a **** pump. Or a 1586 can be picked up pretty cheap too.

 

[SWMan]

That series of tractor is pretty good on fuel too, would work good for an application like that.

 

[mag]

1586 or 1486 for that matter aren't too common around here. there are lots off 22 and 2390s around here. Dad saw a 2590 and thinks we need that.... I just want one that isn't open centre so that its no bogging down to 1700 from 2200 when I pull the hydraulics on(pump is set up for closed centre). Were the 4630 john deeres mechanically sound? I was just looking around here and there is one up for auction in a couple of weeks.
x2 those engines were good on fuel. last spring the 1270 ran for 4 and a half days at pretty much full bore on a tank of fuel. we also know the fuel gauge doesn't work now.

 

[wheatwhacker]

4630's were generally sound tractors unless you cranked the hp on them like many did around here and then the motors tended to not have a very long life. The fuel economy will not be as good as the Case from my experience matter of fact it might really suck compared to the Case.

 

[SWFarmService]

Go with the Deere, if is in any kind of shape you will thank me later

Friends dont let friends drive IH

 

[cptusa]

For a manure I would stay away from the JD. Climbing in and out of that thing all day gets old. What do you have for a **** pump? Lagoon or deep pit? Just curious when you say you don't want it to bog down.

 

[SWFarmService]

Have you ever tried to crawl into an 86 IH Captusa?

Deere is way better, that stupid door on the 86 + all the other probs like non syncro forward and reverse, or how 90% of the tractor is stuffed under the cab, lack of hydraulics and all the maintenance

Edit, also a dry clutch, it would need more repairs than the work it would accomplish

 

[mag]

Sorry SW i'm with cptusa on this one. Never did like the way JD set up the cabs on those old beasts, not to mention the stupid cab post right in your line of sight. But the 1270 isn't much better with the exhaust stuck through the hood. But all they would do anyway is stationary PTO work, mainly manure pump, roller mill and forage blower in a few years maybe.

cptusa we are in a 160' diameter by 12' deep concrete circular tank. We used a Nuhn Header vertical pit pump Nuhn Industries Ltd. - Manure Vertical Pit Pump in it last year. because we are a sand bedded dairy we bit the bullet this winter and bought a second one to help agitate. I couldn't tell you how they compare to other brands of pumps cause last year was our first ever year handling liquid manure. However what I will say about them is with 130 hp tractor it will load a 6750 gallon tanker in 90 seconds with the tractor running at half throttle. By comparison my buddy has a Husky pump and it takes them 4 minutes to load a 6000 gallon tanker.

I figured out why the 1270 is bogging and it has nothing to do with the pump. Its cause the 1270 has I think like a 22 gpm open centre hydraulic system in it and the 3 spool valve on the pump is set up for running off a tractor with closed centre hydraulics. It only bogs when the tractor is at high revs and supplying hydraulic pressure to the pump's valve. (with just the PTO running the engine will run at 2200 but add the hydraulics to that it will bog down to 1700ish, turn the hydraulics off and it will go back to 2200 rpm.) What I suspect is happening is when the pump isn't using the hydraulic pressure supplied to it, the additional oil has to go somewhere which is down the bypass of the tractor valve thereby putting restriction on the 1270's hydraulic pump that the pump is actually under too much load because so much oil is going down the bypass. the whole tractor runs hot, so to me that is an indication that the hydraulics aren't right and the tractor is going to bite the dust soon.

 

[V876]

Have you ever tried to crawl into an 86 IH Captusa?

Deere is way better, that stupid door on the 86 + all the other probs like non syncro forward and reverse, or how 90% of the tractor is stuffed under the cab, lack of hydraulics and all the maintenance

Edit, also a dry clutch, it would need more repairs than the work it would accomplish

Gotta agree about getting in and out of the IH, who ever designed that backwards door and cab should have been run over with that tractor.

 

[cptusa]

Have you ever tried to crawl into an 86 IH Captusa?

Deere is way better, that stupid door on the 86 + all the other probs like non syncro forward and reverse, or how 90% of the tractor is stuffed under the cab, lack of hydraulics and all the maintenance

Edit, also a dry clutch, it would need more repairs than the work it would accomplish

Yes, did it for the last two days on the manure pump. Never really understood why the JD get in a big tizzy about getting in and out of those compared to the Deeres. Works great on the pump, open the right door and grab the hydraulic lever, never have to get inside. Tranny's did suck on those can't argue there.

The only worse tractor for getting in and out of than those old Deeres was the 7000 series AC, maybe not, could be a toss up between the two.

 

[SWFarmService]

Had a 7000 AC and I didn't mind it( crawling in and out of it), loved the tractor, hard on fuel but hydraulics were good, "black frame" serviceability minus hydraulic fill was great, good power, reliable, rode good, tight steering radius.

All around it was 10 times the tractor of a 1086

 

[farmshop]

We have a 4630 with 16000 hrs good tractor. To make it easy to get in just buy a new style step kit for it. Only complaint with our 4630 is it is cold blooded when it gets below 40 it likes to be plugged in.

 

[cptusa]

Had a 7000 AC and I didn't mind it( crawling in and out of it), loved the tractor, hard on fuel but hydraulics were good, "black frame" serviceability minus hydraulic fill was great, good power, reliable, rode good, tight steering radius.

All around it was 10 times the tractor of a 1086

To each there own, guess it is just personal preference. Even though I am right and you are wrong swhatever! (Ha ha, sarcasm! Just kidding!) Figured you may get a kick out of that...

 

[361turbo]

gotta love the ol binders for pto work. Can run the inj pump,pto and hyds from the ground. Great auger, pump,silo blower n whatnot. Cheap n simple to work on. Id go red or white for the pumper.

 

[SWMan]

To each there own, guess it is just personal preference. Even though I am right and you are wrong swhatever! (Ha ha, sarcasm! Just kidding!) Figured you may get a kick out of that...

I got a kick out of that too.:wink:

Only thing the Deere would be good at here would be the fuel tank being on the front of the tractor and easier to get at, which is important because you would need to get at it more often....

 

[mag]

SW what do you mean by black frame serviceability? I'm intrigued by the allis now theres a couple in upcoming auctions? Someone please enlighten me about them.

 

[SWFarmService]

I hadn't used a red frame much but the hydraulic didn't do much until the engine reached 1400 rpms. They had an open center system

The black frame had a variable piston pump closed center system, had good capacity for the Vermeer power rake we ran on ours. I am not sure what the flow rating on it was but I am willing to bet it was over 20gpm

Otherwise I don't think there was much diff other than the lights and some simple things