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With the low prices floating around we are gonna need every dollar we can produce.
If thats not reason enough, then buy something nice! An education fund for the kids, a pair of boobs for the wife.. Heck get a pair of boobs for yourself even!
Its your money they are clawing from us and the deadline is end of the month for our checkoff dollars

Just a reminder
 

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What is it that commissions do so poorly that rather then grow the industry that money would be better spent on a boob job?
 

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the deadline is end of the month for our checkoff dollars

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C'mon man, 10.5 hours notice on a Sunday.....:wink:

I think we have 5 different check-off's to apply for and they are all different in some way, most with different deadlines. What a PITA!!!:mad:
 

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So who's job is it to make sure in Ottawa that the little bit of trade parity we have isn't continually sucked away as trade tariffs given up by dairy?

Who fights for things like generics and their access?

Who pushes back on grading changes that benefit grain buyers and screw farmers?

Who goes toe to toe with transport canada fighting for fair rail for grain movement? Who pushes back against CFIA and health canada about registration legislation?

Who fights to keep a science based registration system?

Who will do agronomic research that the government only matches with dollars first put up by farmers?

Or a thousand other things that seemingly everyone, everything and every country wants to erode what you get and keep for themselves?

I guess the rest of us so that you will benefit from them, enjoy your new boobs.
 

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So who's job is it to make sure in Ottawa that the little bit of trade parity we have isn't continually sucked away as trade tariffs given up by dairy?

Who fights for things like generics and their access?

Who pushes back on grading changes that benefit grain buyers and screw farmers?

Who goes toe to toe with transport canada fighting for fair rail for grain movement? Who pushes back against CFIA and health canada about registration legislation?

Who fights to keep a science based registration system?

Who will do agronomic research that the government only matches with dollars first put up by farmers?

Or a thousand other things that seemingly everyone, everything and every country wants to erode what you get and keep for themselves?

I guess the rest of us so that you will benefit from them, enjoy your new boobs.
Well I don't know but there isn't much evidence of check-off dollars accomplishing any of that.

Maybe it should go:
Who will go to trade fairs and hand out pens and trinkets?

Who will hire cooks to travel around to schools?

Who will do more redundant seeding speed trials?

Who will collapse the standardized variety testing procedures?

Who will go to foreign countries with government officials that won't hold a position in mere months?

Who will have their annual meetings in sunny exotic locations?

Who will make it as difficult as possible for producers to get THEIR money back if they don't support what is going on?


I think we all know the answers to these questions...:rolleyes:
 

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Nothing more to add to that statement. You don't know.
Well I think the responsibility should lie with these organizations to explain what, if anything, useful they are doing with producers money...I shouldn't have to cover for them.

All of the stuff you mentioned is either woefully inadequate or stuff they have already screwed up, so if you are making a wish-list I can get that. I think we need to place our hope/trust/money somewhere else though. However all the stuff I mentioned has happened, but somehow I don't know???
 

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Well I think the responsibility should lie with these organizations to explain what, if anything, useful they are doing with producers money...I shouldn't have to cover for them.

All of the stuff you mentioned is either woefully inadequate or stuff they have already screwed up, so if you are making a wish-list I can get that. I think we need to place our hope/trust/money somewhere else though. However all the stuff I mentioned has happened, but somehow I don't know???
I think you are much like myself, honest and up front about things, which for most things is good, but that's not how the game is played behind the scenes. Was why like I have always joked about how I was the biggest public relations nightmare to ever hit the oil patch. Wasn't that I didn't know how to tear out a rig or what went where when putting it back together, it was how I dealt with the politics and political correctness of the people involved, and I'm not speaking of lease grunts either. Thus my style and methods, while very productive work and production wise, were not considered acceptable by most fairly high up the food chain. And this is how I see it with these groups who we are giving those checkoffs to. They do the shoomzing and asskissing that we don't think is important, which unfortunately is how the game is played. Do I think it is all spent in the most beneficial manner, no, not at all, but I do think there is something to be gained in the grand scheme of things in the end. And at least with those checkoffs, we are able to get our money back if we want, not like the bloody CWB where it was all in and nothing back. Which is rather funny really, given who started this thread...he hates giving money to organizations who possibly do some work to increase markets and such, but rues the day the CWB ceased to exist...
 

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Well I think the responsibility should lie with these organizations to explain what, if anything, useful they are doing with producers money...I shouldn't have to cover for them.
Have you read the annual report cover to cover? Talked to the general manager? sat down and had lunch with them and had them explain the things the association is involved in on not only a local level but by representation and provincially, nationally, and internationally?

Its all there if you wish to find it.
 

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This is my 1st year off pulling out my check-off money from the grain associations, my biggest beef with these associations is the scientific and research grants that are available to those producers that contribute money. It is up to the producer to apply for the tax grants which in most cases does not happen as most of us have accountants that file our tax returns and they don't apply for these grants. Or does your accountant it do this for you? These associations should be sending out yearly statements with a receipt for the tax grants just like charities do. Furthermore these tax grants should cover at least 75% of what producers contribute, if they did this I would be more inclined to contribute. Just my 2 cents on this subject.
 

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Have you read the annual report cover to cover? Talked to the general manager? sat down and had lunch with them and had them explain the things the association is involved in on not only a local level but by representation and provincially, nationally, and internationally?

Its all there if you wish to find it.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. Trust me I have spent way more time digging through this stuff than I care to admit. Admittedly I am not a policy guy like others(possibly yourself) are. Some people live for meetings but when I go to meetings I am there to learn or accomplish something and if it becomes redundant I start looking for the exit. We need policy people for some stuff, but what we have is overload right now. There is an organization for every commodity all lined up to take your money, sanctioned by the gov't of course. Each one hires a staff, lawyers, accountants and......POOF...there goes the first 15%! Then they start advertising and travelling and before you know it there is 50% gone. Literally over half of the expenditures in the report I just looked at AGAIN was used up on something that had communication, relations and administration in the heading!

Honestly if you had approached this in a way of wanting to improve the current system instead of telling me I don't know what I am talking about I would have responded much better. I am open to changing my mind here but unless something changes I stand by my comments.

IF you want some advice(from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about:wink:) I would say to first join all these councils/commissions together. This isn't divide and conquer, it's get together and get something done. Once that is accomplished start organizing an independent grading system like they have in the US U.S. Export Grain Grading Process | U.S. Grains Council Then maybe we won't be getting bent over on grading and dockage like we currently are at the primary elevators, the likes of which is theft only paralleled by the current check-off system...
 

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On a happier note
Hey I am happy.:smile: Selling grain and paying deductions can't be a bad thing! And if you don't support what the check-off funds get spent on you can run for the board or ask for it back. Could be much worse, and in fact has been...
 

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I totally agree SWMan, there should be a Cereals commission, an oilseeds commission, and a pulse commission. They should be in the same building and share staff. There is a lot of streamlining that could occur. While provincial legislation dictates there must per province, there is no reason the focus shouldn't be on a national association for each group. Barley is the same no matter the province as is every other crop. There is a lot of overlap.
 

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C'mon guys, ok, so I support the idea of a wheat board, but of course I dont support what it was the last decade or so of existence, as the government corrupted it from its intended design.

In saying that, these well funded checkoff schemes are just simply little pool players in governments pocket, simply make work projects which employ hundreds of people doing stuff the government sees fit. If they were actually for us, then they would be 100% listening to our needs, not telling us what we want or need.

If your idea of "fighting for us" is their managment team calling the minister of agriculture and asking if he would like prime rib or kobe beef for their meeting in florida to discuss Monsanto's terms... Then yes, they are fighting for us.

Let get real for a few minutes here, the government never cares about farmers, never did or will. We have no voting voice, we don't pay for their campaigns... We are just here to produce food as humanly cheap as possible (and with checkoffs, scientifically and genetically as well) and to create more agri jobs.
That is our purpose for them, weather we make a dollar or die trying, someone will always try seed every acre possible of canadian lands, every year.

Now if checkoffs went to a completely farmer owned organization which actually faught the government, sued them, held companies accountable, sued them, and listened to/managed by farmers ... Now that is something worth funding! But hey, that sounds like too much of a good thing, sounds like a wheat board idea.
 

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hihi962 I can't believe we are having this discussion again, but I only have one point that you need to understand: THE CWB WAS THE GOVERNMENT. No matter how they acted at the end trying to preserve their cushy jobs they were always controlled by the federal government. I just hope you and others understand that.:wink:

Apart from that I agree with your previous post.
 
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