[Landon7174]

We bought and ran a P4585 this year with sectional. We ran VR on every tank and it was simple to setup and adjust rates etc. Going from a Deere Cart to the NH took some getting used to as far as screen and software. Worked flawless for us, if there was ever a error it was operator error and usually related to the age of the operator and not the carts fault lol. We had the 10inch auger option with remote that took some getting used to but it reached under my semi trailers just fine and loaded fast! We took the tires off and put tracks on it, she never went down at all and we started fairly wet. The small canola tank worked great, ours is the '17 model and filled quick and never plugged. Would hang a mini bulk over it and do a quick walk around of the drill and it was unloaded in 3-5 min? Extra light kit is amazing, sectional was spot on once you get it setup. Screen worked well, with no issues, felt more like a sprayer using the sectional control than it did a drill. We sowed canola down to 2.9lbs and up to 5.6lbs (various TSW's) per acre and I'm really happy with the stand. Used dry inoculant and worked fine though I was told to avoid clay based so I stuck with peat. Biggest complaint is calibration bags, awkward and heavy, would like to make a aluminum one. Tanks filled right to the corners (unlike our last 1910) and cleaned out very nice. They get only praise from me, Excited for the turn compensation update to come out for next year.

 

[shmiffy]

Was that a tow between cart

 

[Landon7174]

Yeah it was, we moved the cart axle forward another 2 feet to give it better balance and distribute weight on the drill of the hitch better.

 

[drylandfarmer]

Dryland How are the metering cartridges holding up with the dust from grain and fert. How many outlets are you using and what size bar. Sorry for all the questions just trying to see how various machines are set up by different dealers. ie 10 outlets for a 40ft machine would change roller speeds for a 8 outlet 80ft machine. One machine locally roller spreads are running to slow causing roller alarms to go off

Had no problems with grain/seed treat or fertilizer dust in the cartridges.

The canola roller and cartridge (white) had some dust collect in them, but did not cause any issues or metering differences for me. The canola roller cartridge has a narrow gap, so I can see it potentially building up there. It's rate range is 2-12 lbs per acre.

I have 7 runs on a 70' drill.

If roller speeds are running too slow on the machine you mentioned, has the proper cartridge been changed to get to the proper rate range? Changing the cartridge from a full width to a half, or quarter width on the coarse roller would be an easy fix. There are different rollers available as well. I personally like to see the rpm's in the 20 range.

 

[SouthernSK]

Landon with the fill auger could you completely clean out the hopper or did it just have the little slide in the front of thr hopper where only half the stuff comes out? That is my only beef with the older series 580 we bought otherwise I really like it.

 

[Landon7174]

Landon with the fill auger could you completely clean out the hopper or did it just have the little slide in the front of thr hopper where only half the stuff comes out? That is my only beef with the older series 580 we bought otherwise I really like it.

It still doesn't clean out great, even if you open the slide it takes a bit to get it all out. Wouldn't be great for a seed grower.

 

[SouthernSK]

If you figure out a modification to get it to clean out better let me know. I wish the hopper would spin around like the older style.

 

[skfarmboy]

Just looking for comments on how they working now that have been in use for a few years.

 

[Landon7174]

Just looking for comments on how they working now that have been in use for a few years.

We are 3 seasons into it, so far so good. We've replaced 2 on the meter motors on year 1, none since. They have a update coming out this summer for SS meter cartridges, the poly ones seemed to wear down after 15000 acres, the urea tank was good but the P&K tank had lots of wear then the meter would stall. New meters will fix that. AUX tank works good and the sectional works amazing. Would buy again, by far the simplest sectional on the market in my opinion.

 

[Slip clutch]

I bought a 4765 tank. With duels weals a little sketchy going over bridges it 21’ wide got it with the conveyer very fast loading! Love the canola tank. Just back up stand on the tailgate and dump the bags. It’s a little hi if you Stand on the ground. We seeded the canola at 3.8 lbs. if it all takes its lots. I’m thinking next year the first two rounds I’ll seed the Edge land at 3.8 lbs. for the beetles then knock it down a pound. I keep a garden hoe in the box where the weight bags are to level out the canola when it’s getting empty. That part it’s the $hits on all the tanks. You will need a 7 gallon pail to stand on to look in the canola tank. Love the capacity of the cart. Now we seed 110 acers a fill instead of 35. Big game changer there. Pulls easer thank the tricycle tank we had. The weigh bags are not the best thing. And when we are finish with the tank we take all the rollers out and blow then off and spray some DW-40 on the bearings. There’s lost of dust on them. The sectional control is like a sprayer. All and all I think it’s a good tank. So far.

 

[Zoomer]

Good friend of mine and his brothers bought 2 new ones last year (3445 w/sectional control) and ran them this spring. Less than 5000 acres on each unit. They used for wheat, soybeans, & canola. Had lots of trouble and are in a pissing match with CNH now. CNH claims no one else has had any issues. They won't give them the names of anyone else in the area that has that cart. They had a lot of issues with fertilizer and inoculant blowing past the meters, (would end up with piles under the openers if they were sitting for a while) probably do to premature wearing of rollers/cartridges and air pressure in tank pushing product past meters. Also had fertilizer plugging issues that would stop the motors. They were glad they had Intelligent Ag monitor system as any problems and it alerted them to something going on. They are also replacing main seed hoses after 1 season. CNH asked for samples of the fertilizer and seems to be trying to pass the buck to someone else and haven't come up with any fix for them. I am not that familiar with the units but from what has been described to me I wouldn't have one yet. They too found out about the stainless cartridges (he thought only the discs in cartridge were stainless, how will that change the meter roller and cup wear?) (do the engineers think we seed without putting down fertilizer?). I will try to get to his place for some pictures to post on here. After what was described to me, I would not have one if you want to put fertilizer (they were using 11-52-00) through one of the tanks. I will be watching this thread to see how others respond as they are not on the internet much and maybe someone (are you listening CNH) may have a fix for the problems. Bottom line: I don't think CNH engineers have the fertilizer wear problems in the meter cartridges worked out yet. That being said everything else seemed to work as it should.

 

[Zoomer]

Finally managed to get some pictures of cartridges. You can see the wear of the of the cartridge used with the fertilizer tank. It does not seem to be a problem with any of the seed tank rollers. You can also see the wear of the black discs between the feed roller sections.


Just received a text from my friend this morning and a CNH representative showed up to look at the cart and they showed him what's all wrong. Got a phone call a few days later and was told they are testing new meters and cartridges especially designed for fertilizer. He said CNH "for once they acknowledge we weren't the only ones with problems."


Let's hope they can get this figured out before the next planting season!

 

[white owl]

what did they expect the cart to be used for, just seed

 

[SouthernSK]

My ears are still sore from the CNH guys saying you are the only one with the problem when we have had various problems over the years. What a lousy way to address a problem by a company. When they bought their newer series suspended boom sprayers the rinse tank caps would constantly fall off when you hit a bump. When we went to buy a replacement a lot of dealers were sold out of them because of demand from the faulty mould. They did not trim the lip down enough and the cap was held on by less than one thread. We went to the guy who molded them in Saskatoon and he said he could easily change that but could not do anything unless he was authorized by CNH. CNH did nothing but tell me I was the only one with the problem.