[drylandfarmer]

Used cruise pilot today for the first time on a 780. Was very impressed how well it works, and how proactive the system is. Curious on what setting other guys use for the feederhouse roller. I understand there are many variables and crop conditions, but generally where do you set it.

Was doing dry canola today and had it set for 75. Seemed to work well here, am I too aggresive or room for more? Cruise pilot set on throughput. Losses were quite low. Rotor loss sneaking to about 1/3 of the way up to the black line, sensitivity set to 70.

What about wheat/durum straight cutting?

 

[Don Boles]

Enjoy the view!

Used cruise pilot today for the first time on a 780. Was very impressed how well it works, and how proactive the system is. Curious on what setting other guys use for the feederhouse roller. I understand there are many variables and crop conditions, but generally where do you set it.

Was doing dry canola today and had it set for 75. Seemed to work well here, am I too aggresive or room for more? Cruise pilot set on throughput. Losses were quite low. Rotor loss sneaking to about 1/3 of the way up to the black line, sensitivity set to 70.

What about wheat/durum straight cutting?

Is this a new unit?
Have all the one time settings have been done?
For example, are both chaffer and grain sieve set at TM6?
Fixed speed feederhouse?

You will quickly develop the feel for settings, I'll just throw a few ideas out.

75 just happens to be 1/2 full feeder house depth (10 to 150 scale), since set on throughput this will be the maximum feedrate it will run assuming maximum speed setting is high enough.
At night when tough or damp you will likely just dial the depth down while watching losses and power consumption (growlyness factor) while in the daytime heat set it just to a preferred loss level feedrate.

As to the actual aggressiveness setting with 4 settings I run just below a "surge" level such that it doesn't rock the boat so to speak.
Point of interest, not sure why but a passenger will notice surge motions before the operator will.

I gather this isn't a CEMOS Automatic equipped unit?

 

[drylandfarmer]

Is this a new unit?
Have all the one time settings have been done?
For example, are both chaffer and grain sieve set at TM6?
Fixed speed feederhouse?

You will quickly develop the feel for settings, I'll just throw a few ideas out.

75 just happens to be 1/2 full feeder house depth (10 to 150 scale), since set on throughput this will be the maximum feedrate it will run assuming maximum speed setting is high enough.
At night when tough or damp you will likely just dial the depth down while watching losses and power consumption (growlyness factor) while in the daytime heat set it just to a preferred loss level feedrate.

As to the actual aggressiveness setting with 4 settings I run just below a "surge" level such that it doesn't rock the boat so to speak.
Point of interest, not sure why but a passenger will notice surge motions before the operator will.

I gather this isn't a CEMOS Automatic equipped unit?

Yes, new unit.
One time settings done, sieves set for TM6
Fixed speed feederhouse.
It is a Cemos equipped unit.

Cemos only runs the Rotors. Cemos really likes to spin the rotors fast. Had it up to 860 rpm in the heat of the day yesterday doing canola.
When I put Cemos on the sieve icon, message comes up crop not supported. I am assuming this is what I have been reading Cemos wont do cleaning in canola?

 

[Don Boles]

Yes, new unit.
One time settings done, sieves set for TM6
Fixed speed feederhouse.
It is a Cemos equipped unit.

Cemos only runs the Rotors. Cemos really likes to spin the rotors fast. Had it up to 860 rpm in the heat of the day yesterday doing canola.
When I put Cemos on the sieve icon, message comes up crop not supported.

Wow glad I asked!
You're missing out on far and away the best part in canola, sieve/cleaning/fan control.
Change it to Rapeseed, that should get it functioning.
Thought Claas fixed that.

I agree, when you get it all functioning and it still runs the rotors too fast as well as running the doors too open (like mine did last year) shut separation off, just use Cleaning.
You'll likely end up at 500 or so and doors closed which you control with the hot key.
Note doors won't close when threshing but will upon header lift. Dumb.
They'll open anytime.

 

[lexionman575]

Wow glad I asked!
You're missing out on far and away the best part in canola, sieve/cleaning/fan control.
Change it to Rapeseed, that should get it functioning.
Thought Claas fixed that.

I agree, when you get it all functioning and it still runs the rotors too fast as well as running the doors too open (like mine did last year) shut separation off, just use Cleaning.
You'll likely end up at 500 or so and doors closed which you control with the hot key.
Note doors won't close when threshing but will upon header lift. Dumb.
They'll open anytime.

"Software was updated for canola to always keep the covers closed"

Quoting a bulletin that came out yesterday

 

[Don Boles]

"Software was updated for canola to always keep the covers closed"

Quoting a bulletin that came out yesterday

Wow, fresher than today's headlines!
Sorta.
Thanks LM.

 

[drylandfarmer]

Perfect I will check the "rapeseed setting" tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
Was using "US Canola" today and it was running the rotors only. Had to shut it down today as it kept opening up the doors, then seive losses went up.

Went on a canola seed loss ground hunt this morning. Was suprised to find so few seeds on the ground. Don't want to oversell it but I did not find any, although i'm sure there are some there. I did not drop the straw and a pan to do a proper count, just crawled across the width of one pass hands and knees hunting canola.

 

[Don Boles]

Perfect I will check the "rapeseed setting" tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
Was using "US Canola" today and it was running the rotors only.

I checked mine, it's the same and Rapeseed will give you both functions.

What blockhead made US Canola a rotors only function?
As if calling it US Canola isn't bad enough!

 

[jimbobobaroo]

"Software was updated for canola to always keep the covers closed"

Quoting a bulletin that came out yesterday

I think I still have last years version for Cemos. What version should I be at with the new fix for canola? Does CEBIS need updated to work with?

 

[Don Boles]

I think I still have last years version for Cemos. What version should I be at with the new fix for canola? Does CEBIS need updated to work with?

Just use rapeseed and shut separation off Jim.
Close doors and set rotors to about 600.

 

[Kurt]

Don'have a claas but are you running ever with door open?
To funny , Don what door are you talking about

 

[drylandfarmer]

Wow glad I asked!
You're missing out on far and away the best part in canola, sieve/cleaning/fan control.
Change it to Rapeseed, that should get it functioning.
Thought Claas fixed that.

I agree, when you get it all functioning and it still runs the rotors too fast as well as running the doors too open (like mine did last year) shut separation off, just use Cleaning.
You'll likely end up at 500 or so and doors closed which you control with the hot key.
Note doors won't close when threshing but will upon header lift. Dumb.
They'll open anytime.

Just got rained out. Ran the Cemos on Rapeseed and worked awesome. That is a very intuitive system. The sample is extremely clean with very few losses, and I was Nascar racing around the field to fill the beast. Its fun watching it work and make changes on its own.

The seperater portion did manage to open the doors 3 times on me, then as predicted the sieve losses go up and rotor losses get to zero. Cemos is opening the doors as far as I can tell, to balance out the losses when high rotor speeds don't bring the rotor losses down to be the same as the seives. The rotors have more losses than the seives when doors are closed and I have 1 set of filler plates added. The losses are very low, less than a third of the way up the scale, but each time they opened this is what was happening. Cemos figured out the problem it created by opening the doors and then closed them on the next corner when no material was going through. I had the loss sensitivity set to 70% on both. 70% is very high sensitivity for canola, but I happen to like canola.

On the last pass before the rain, I lowered the seperator loss sensitivity to 60% and left the seive at 70%. This tells Cemos losses are balanced between the rotors and the sieves so Cemos should not speed up the rotor so fast and/or open the doors. Wanted more time to test my theory. These are still very low losses for canola, and set at 60% is still pretty sensitive.

Also got me thinking that maybe I do not need the extra set of filler plates put in. Taking them out may or may not overload the cleaning shoe. I'm not sure and I won't be removing them to satisfy my curiosity. Sure would be nice if they were all hydraulic.

Will get very used to this automatic combine control, it sure is nice to run.

 

[Don Boles]

Don'have a claas but are you running ever with door open?
To funny , Don what door are you talking about

Technically, hydraulic separation grate cover doors under the rotors.
Now controlled automatically by CEMOS AUTOMATIC.

A foreign concept to anyone not familiar with 700 series Claas combines.
My apologies for the omission.

 

[keystone]

I see the mention of TM6 sieves, I have been told CEMOS is calibrated to run with the frogmouth sieve not TM6, am I being told correctly? Have been told by CLAAS reps any sieve works and only frogmouth, dealer is not sure, they think TM6 and frogmouth are the same, or at least used to when they sold us the 780.

 

[Don Boles]

I see the mention of TM6 sieves, I have been told CEMOS is calibrated to run with the frogmouth sieve not TM6, am I being told correctly? Have been told by CLAAS reps any sieve works and only frogmouth, dealer is not sure, they think TM6 and frogmouth are the same, or at least used to when they sold us the 780.

No, TM6 have a flat trailing edge, frogmouth is shaped like, you guessed it, a frog's mouth.
I thought the opposite, TM6 is preferred for CEMOS AUTOMATIC.
Regardless, I can see TM6 is a better match for small grain machines anyway.

For what it's worth, CEMOS AUTOMATIC allows either.

 

[SouthernSK]

I thought Frog mouth was another name for the TM6 sieve. I guess I must be mistaken. So does Claas also sell a frog mouth sieve?

 

[Don Boles]

Not with CEMOS AUTOMATIC, it comes TM6.

 

[keystone]

I hope so that is what my machine has, I have been told all sorts of things on this, have called Omaha and get one answer, call combine specialist, get another answer, told TM6 and frogmouth the same and told they are not gets confusing knowing what is what. For my clarification is frogmouth the one that is fairly flat on its top profile getting wider as it goes back or is it the one that looks more like a traditional sieve? also told frogmouth is an airfoil sieve as well. Anyway thanks for the information.

 

[Don Boles]

Frogmouth traditional.
TM6 air foil.