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Would like to hear some opinions from other people who have run a M series macdon swather compared to a JD 450.

Our dealer has been great enough to let us demo a D450 with a 635 header on for the last couple of days swathing canola along side our M150 with a 35 foot D60 header. I know the majority of guys lean towards the macdon but after running this Deere for 2 days now I can't see why. I have swathed with it in pretty much every condition we would ever encounter. That being mud, water, short canola, tall canola, tangled canola and drowned out spots full of green weeds. The JD is doing 6 or 7 acres more per hour then the macdon. It is a way nicer machine to run I think just because of the cab and the controls and the superior ride from the back suspension. It is also very nice to be able to carry tools and parts in your cab without having to worry about trying to turn your seat around so you can go faster down the road.

So why is everybody buying macdons instead of the deere? Would like to hear from a few people that have run both before we trade our macdon in on a JD.
 

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The hart carter reel is not built as heavy as the reel on the D60. Have had a few hart carters in the past on various Jd headers and they require more upkeep. The rest of the JD header is better built though I think. Just little things like hydraulic hoses are better quality and also routed better. The gauge wheels also have quite a few less moving parts and linkages to wear out to cause play in everything.
 

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I've run both and would not say my experience has been the same as yours. We had a terrible time swathing heavy, lodged canola with the D450. Don't have time just now to go into all the details just now but what makes the Macdon superior is the platform out front.
 

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Which cab is nicer and more importantly quieter?

I agree that JD looks like a good swather but it is good to hear from people who have run them.
 

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The M155 has 2 tool boxes on the sides..nothing in the cab to rattle around..The suspension on the 155 is super sooth even against the seeding..The cab is so quiet you can hear your hair grow!! Never drove a JD, but find it hard to believe it could be better than the M155..Sure love ours..can cut canola as fast a you want to travel with zero issues...
 

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I heard you can't see your cutter bar on the deer when in the field. We have 2 deer 635 for our S690s and 2 green W150s with 35 ft D60s. I have never run the 450 with the deer header but one other thing I heard was the divider was very wide and caused more losses in canola than the Mac. I would say that the deer header has to weigh much more as well. I would say the deer draper is over kill as far as a swather header application.
 

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35 foot header. Going anywhere from 6mph where it is laying down and green and tangled up to 8.5mph where it is standing nice. If you averaged it out during the day it would be around 7.5. The macdon will keep up but its to hard on the operator to keep up the pace all day like that. Way more vibration in the Macdon and the header also seems to bounce around more while driving with it up in the air.

Yes, you cannot see your knife directly in front of you, but you can see your sickles towards the outsides of the header. That was my first concern actually, but you get used to it real quickly especially with the auto header height working so well.


We usually carry most of our parts on tool boxes mounted on the outside, but we like to keep our tools inside, and then you also have to have your picinic basket full of food, beverages and snacks cluttering up our floor.
 

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Which one do you feel put down a nicer swath. I find if I travel over 6 mph with a d60 the canola hesitates a bit coming through the hole and I get an inconsistent swath. Maybe it is something I don't have set right, but tried all I could think of.
 

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Which one do you feel put down a nicer swath. I find if I travel over 6 mph with a d60 the canola hesitates a bit coming through the hole and I get an inconsistent swath. Maybe it is something I don't have set right, but tried all I could think of.
I find the same thing. We went too fast (7.5) last year and had way too many lumpy swaths. 6 mph seems to be the right speed in heavy canola. Lighter crop 7+ seems to work. Like you said it pauses at the Center before falling to the ground and changing the settings helps but it seems to be a speed issue.
The combines are happier with a 6 mph swath.
 

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I wish someone would have experience with the new 235 with a draper head vs a MacDon/MacDeere. My dealer has been doing mods to the 600D drapers to make the opening bigger but I don't think its quite as big as MD.
Are you talking about the 400 series draper head? Is it just a macdon painted green also or Deere's own head. I wrote m155 earlier for less confusion, but It was actually a w150 with a 435 head. Worked very well.
 

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And how would that be?

Seeing the new swather with the S-series cab on it makes me pretty confident no one else has a nicer cab. The layout, fit, finish, quietness and integration of all the controls with auto steer......MD doesn't even hold a candle when it comes to the cab now.
If john Deere believed thier swather was better than the Mac dons they would have stuck with thier design and not hired Mac don to build a swather for them.
 
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