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Tell me fellow Americans - will anyone actually vote for this guy? We are all laughing hard at my work place (In AUS) but were wondering does he have a real chance ?!! Does he make any sense...somehow he doesn't seem to be someone with the steady hands required...??

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He will likely get my vote, will he gain traction? Doubtful, cause Obama has all the loosers in this country way to pampered to vote for someone to take it away from them and put the money where it belongs, IN A BANK ACCOUNT! Mark my word WE WILL LOOSE EVERYTHING WE HAVE if we dont get someone with a pair in that office!

He seems to have a solid stance of how this country was run by our forefathers so far, will keep in tune with him and everyone else but so far hes got my thumbs up, didnt figure I would be saying that
 

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It's quite a paradox! At least it makes the election fun to watch for a change instead of the normal train wreck. Did you hear the Rosie O'Donnell remark last night?! Most interesting election already in my lifetime, comparable to Ross Perot in many ways. Ross came across as thin skinned a couple times. He was gaining traction, then when he pulled out, when he then went back in the momentum was gone. I don't think Trump will exhibit that thin skinned trait. If you want a microcosm of how divided our country is, just compare Trump and Sanders, and think for a minute that people are behind both of these guys. I think his statement last night about not pledging support to whoever the republican candidate is was the correct way to go. If he had pledged support, it would have been like agreeing that he isn't going to win and not knowing who will win the eventual guy shouldn't automatically have his support. Fun fun fun!!!
 

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No doubt the Don is in this for the greater good of Trump Inc, however I do love ( No...not his hair ) his statement... "I don`t have time for political correctness and neither does this country"... after calling someone a fat pig.

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Two thumbs up for that!!!
 

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don't think trump was asked very fair questions compared to the others, and cant believe how rude the questions were.. fox trying to get ratings again..


the US maybe needs a dictator like trump to get them in the right direction again, but don't think even trump will make it by Hillary.. shes a forsure thing
 

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This should probably be in the Off Topic board...

The reason why Trump has so much traction is because the media won't shut up about him. As long as he is being loud and offensive (to some), he is taking away attention from the candidates that the media support, or have a good chance of beating their candidate. They are trying to set us up for another Bush-Clinton ticket; notice how quiet those two have been recently? Yeah, they're just kicking back and enjoying the sideshow.

I'm hearing a lot of comments to the effect of, "I like Trump because he is saying what I want to hear." Exactly. Trump is a salesman, and he's playing everyone like a fiddle. Everyone seems to have forgotten how many times he's changed his political affiliation over the years, the support he's given to the Clintons, his comments about the economy always being better with a Democrat president, or his use of imminent domain to steal land for his hotels and casinos. He knows how to game the system to get what he wants. Don't think that he hasn't bought his influence and power; everything has a price to him, and everything can be sold.

I sure hope he doesn't have a chance, but the way this country is going... We have the best field of presidential candidates in my lifetime, and right now the best are being overshadowed by an egotistical blowhard whose entire campaign so far can be boiled down to "I'm rich, go f**k yourself." We still have an interminably long time before the election, though. A lot can happen between now and then.
 

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I like the fact that he does not care what others think about what he says this political correct hog crap has driven this country into the ground. I am not sure I am big on his policies though and I am not so sure he is not playing us right now. I think he has the business sense to make some correct choices for the direction of this country financially. If he actually believes what he says and will do maybe. Like okpanhandle says we have the best field of candidates I have seen. He certainly would not be my first choice but he has gotten some things stirred up and people talking about things that need to be talked about. Maybe he can get the attention on the real issues that need dealing with not just bull crap like hope and change and wake a few people up. If not there will be to many people waiting for their handout of our money from more politicians like barry and it will be tough to get any positive change done.
 

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I don't think Trump actually wants to be President. He wants to prove that he could be elected President. In that respect, he has already made his point.

I think it's unlikely that Trump will be around long enough to seriously contend for the Republican nomination. He's wealthy (though probably not as rich as he would like us to think he is), but is depending on free media coverage to keep him in the spotlight. People are already showing signs of weariness with his act. If you all think back four years, the Republican front runners were Michelle Bachmann and the Pizza Dude. What have they done for us lately?

Trump is making the campaign interesting. If he does run as an independent he will probably give the White House to the Democrats for the 3rd consecutive election (neither party has held the presidency for more than 8 consecutive years since FDR). Even without Trump, the Republicans have a problem getting a presidential candidate elected. In 2012 they couldn't unseat a hugely unpopular incumbent. This time, the party's nominee will likely face a less than universally admired candidate who has been running for President for 14 years. If the Republicans couldn't win in 2012 and don't win in 2016, the party's viability as a major party in the future could be legitimately questioned. They can win all the state legislatures and congressional seats on the ballot but, in our political system, if they don't put someone in The Big Chair, they will be seen as losers.

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I do not like socialism, fascism, liberalism therefore I do not like democrats. That being said, I have burnt my "vast right wing conspiracy card" and no longer support every candidate that puts a "R" behind there name. I am sick of spineless republicans that when in power give the liberals all they want anyway. 17 of them vying for a chance to run for president, over half aren't worth a ****. Of the top ten, you could easily cut that in half to get down to the decent ones. Trump is saying what needs to be said, no political correctness, few are backing him publically because they are scared to.

I agree with Trump, he should not be forced to give support to whatever republican gets the nomination. You really want a liberal with a "R" behind their name instead of one with a "D"? In my book a liberal is a liberal regardless of political affiliation and they won't get my support either.
 

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I tend to agree with Mark, however Mr. Trump or someone like him could be exactly what this country needs to get a good majority of the citizens to wake up. At least with him the next four years would be interesting.
 

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I don't have access to the US debate coverage so can't comment on the antics of the actual debate but I found a comment of Okpanhandle quite profound. The very fact that the media who should be 100% impartial is backing/supporting or putting one runner in a better light then another is so wrong on many levels from my point of view. So when one really thinks about it, you watch the debate and then its the "Media" who puts a spin on all that was said and twists it around to suit their cause and then tells the voting public, "this is who you vote for folks" in a round about way.

Does anyone know who controls the media in the States or has them by the balls is maybe more like it.
 

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I don't have access to the US debate coverage so can't comment on the antics of the actual debate but I found a comment of Okpanhandle quite profound. The very fact that the media who should be 100% impartial is backing/supporting or putting one runner in a better light then another is so wrong on many levels from my point of view. So when one really thinks about it, you watch the debate and then its the "Media" who puts a spin on all that was said and twists it around to suit their cause and then tells the voting public, "this is who you vote for folks" in a round about way.

Does anyone know who controls the media in the States or has them by the balls is maybe more like it.
This commentary can only come from someone who is completely unfamiliar with American news organizations. There has never been anything impartial about how the news is reported in this country, going back to the earliest days of the republic. Long before broadcast news existed, newspapers chose up sides and supported those politicians who agreed with the paper's editorial point of view, and printed unflattering (and in many cases, absolutely false) stories about the candidates with whom the publisher disagreed.

The media in the US is very fragmented. It isn't controlled by anyone. Americans can choose to get their news from any number of radio or TV networks, a dwindling number (but still influential) of daily newspapers, and an almost endless assortment of websites, some of which make up National Enquirer quality stories which are outrageously funny and outrageously false (and, sadly, are believed as absolute gospel by by what are sometimes referred to as "low information voters").

Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul who owns Fox News, is no dummy. He knows that Fox is doing Trump a huge favor by giving him what amounts to free advertising. By holding Trump's feet to the fire in the debate, Fox News is making The Donald pay for his advertising. And, by being confrontational towards Trump during a show (and the debate was a TV show, not a public service) the network can count on a lot of attention from other news outlets which will draw more viewers to Fox just to see what's gonna happen next.

As always, follow the money.

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I've watched Fox News when visiting dad in the states and yes its coming from my personal Canadian point of view that I can't believe the drivel that comes out of the mouths of news casters on that broadcast, then to see my dad sucking up all that crap as gospel. That was the point I wanted to get across, as an outsider looking in its eye opening to see how media drags things off into certain directions and to gain in one way or another .... as you said GM, follow the money.

As to politicians, I have a hard time believing in any of them and looking at how our respective countries are digging huge holes of debt, its a mess that never should have been allowed to happen and yet it is and we watch the train wreck happen and no matter what clown we vote for it continues. Just frustrated watching the mess play out as we are the ones that will pay dearly in the end.
 

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What is bothering me is that Canadian politics and electioneering is rapidly becoming Americanized with mud slinging, PACs, etc. Doesn't do anyone any favors. I say get rid of fixed election dates in Canada pronto. Does nothing but waste time and money. I'm starting to get embarrassed anytime Harper speaks these days. Though of course I get embarrassed when any politician speaks. So I don't tend to listen to debates on either side of the border. I'll read the summary on the BBC. ;)

I lived in the US for many years and it became clear that US politics is simply team sports. Doesn't matter who the players are or even if they switch jerseys. The fans are rabid in support of their colors. Even to the point of opposing ideas their own team had if they ever are introduced by the other team. Like the ACA, which was directly inspired by and nearly identical to a Republican proposal in the 90s. I remember hearing how the world was going to end with Bill Clinton, and then when Bush got in and things started going very badly with the war and all, the other folks started saying the world was going to end, martial law would be declared and Bush would be dictator (too funny). Then again with the current administration it repeats. If Trump becomes president I'm sure the world will end as well. But it will restart in 8 years.

Except that the US does not really need dynasties (of any party or stripe), Jeb is your best bet for the R team I think. He's the only one who can reach the increasingly critical Hispanic vote.
 

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I lived in the US for many years and it became clear that US politics is simply team sports. Doesn't matter who the players are or even if they switch jerseys. The fans are rabid in support of their colors. Even to the point of opposing ideas their own team had if they ever are introduced by the other team. Like the ACA, which was directly inspired by and nearly identical to a Republican proposal in the 90s. I remember hearing how the world was going to end with Bill Clinton, and then when Bush got in and things started going very badly with the war and all, the other folks started saying the world was going to end, martial law would be declared and Bush would be dictator (too funny). Then again with the current administration it repeats. If Trump becomes president I'm sure the world will end as well. But it will restart in 8 years.

Except that the US does not really need dynasties (of any party or stripe), Jeb is your best bet for the R team I think. He's the only one who can reach the increasingly critical Hispanic vote.
American Politics is like team sports on the surface, for sure, but there`s a more sinister underbelly, in that the Captains are paid off and both teams belong to the same owners...Corporate America, who play the fans like a fine fiddle!
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Truth is undergoing the same operation that Bruce Jenner had. No one is allowed to speak it anymore because someone else will be offended.

Say the slightest negative thing (true or not) about someone else and you get branded as "ist": Sexist, racist, someist of some kind. You are a bad bad mean person if you are an ist.


Frankly I think people are sick as **** of it and that's why trump sounds refreshing to so many.


Is Rosie a pos hog? Wouldn't be hard to find 100000 people who would say yeah to that evaluation.


There are a lot of people right now that want to kick the easily offended right square in the ass and tell them to piss off, stfu. Not sure it's enough to win the presidency or not.


If you can't see the media playing sides then you have an agenda to not see it. Pick any man on stage last night and pretend they had the email server, or Benghazi, or, or, or, or.. Any of the Clinton scandals. They'd be crucified like a palin, relentlessly, non stop coverage until they were crushed. She either gets no mention of it, or cover for it from them.


The EPA released a million gallons of crap into the river today, did you see the coverage on that, or just where some guy in wyoming is losing the ranch because they dug a 1 acre pond in a place where the ducks fly over.
 
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