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Farm fuel carbon tax exemption

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#1 ·
Just heard today that there is a farm fuel carbon tax exemption form that can be filled in. I confess to not knowing any details on this and would like someone with the full story to bring me up to date. Thanks
 
#11 ·
That's one benefit to having the province run it vs the federal government. Likely that will end at the next provincial election, so we'll have to deal with the exemption form filing too sooner or later. If we're forced to have a tax, I'd rather it be local to the province, instead of giving it to the federal government. Thus I think the UCP platform to repeal the carbon tax is pretty short sighted, until the next federal election is decided.
 
#12 ·
I see we need to do this now in Alberta? The form talks about self assessing the fuel charge for non eligible activities. Is this one more return we're supposed to file every year or what's their plan for us to divide each litre of fuel by the fraction we use to go to town vs go to the field?

Maybe just ask the retailer to only take the tax off farm delivered fuel? Or are we all going to vouch for each other never having been to town after January 1st and just claim it's all exempt?

I've never seen any of you any where near town, if they ask... In fact I'm pretty sure you guys never leave the yard anymore. Sounds feasible.
 
#16 ·
I see we need to do this now in Alberta? The form talks about self assessing the fuel charge for non eligible activities. Is this one more return we're supposed to file every year or what's their plan for us to divide each litre of fuel by the fraction we use to go to town vs go to the field?

Maybe just ask the retailer to only take the tax off farm delivered fuel? Or are we all going to vouch for each other never having been to town after January 1st and just claim it's all exempt?

I've never seen any of you any where near town, if they ask... In fact I'm pretty sure you guys never leave the yard anymore. Sounds feasible.
Don’t you have to go to town for business. Business gets mail, paperwork,parts.pay bill
 
#15 ·
Second sentence of L402 If a farmer receives delivery of gasoline or light fuel oil (diesel fuel) using its exemption certificate, whether the fuel was delivered at the farm or delivered at a cardlock facility that is registered as a distributor, but uses that fuel type for non-eligible farming activities, the farmer must self-assess the fuel charge based on the quantity of the fuel type that is used for purposes other than those eligible for farmers under the Act and its regulations, using Form B401, Fuel Charge Return for Non-registrants, and the related schedule
 
#19 ·
Huh. Found it now through the UFA website. The L402 form on the CRA website doesn't have that.

One way to separate non-eligible fuel use is to track km travelled for personal in a log book, then multiply that by the L/100km that your vehicle gets. I already do something like that for the off-farm job.
 
#20 ·
It been mentioned, but than asked again so we can repeat; if you farm in AB with farm fuel exemption you do not have to fill out any additional forms. As for other comment on natural gas infrastructure above,, do not believe a lot of people in AB understand how "rare" natural gas can be in even parts of SK and MB, let alone even further eastern points in Cda.

Really is sad - Canada really could be like a crack dealer and taking advantage of the rest of addicts in the world and yet we choose to tax/legislate the heck of it to the point that even most of Canadians do not understand it. If addicts in the rest of the world polluted it enough to cause enough global warming Canada as a whole would become even more valuable.
 
#22 ·
I know the local UFA dealer is sending out forms to all farmers in regards to this Jan 2020 introduction of the Federal fuel carbon tax, no idea how other fuel companies are handling this or if they are leaving it up to the customer to find out. In any event its probably the easiest to call whomever one deals with on fuel and see how they are handling it, if they are sending out forms or to create one online and send it to them ... drop in at their office and fill one out etc. As it states ( and UFA told me as well ) the dyed bulk and dyed card locks for farm fuel will be exempt and as it says no further yearly action required paper wise. Here is the form I found through the link from the UFA listed Government site.
 
#24 ·
So nice that the UCP givernment simplified things by getting rid of the provincial carbon tax that was automatically exempted for farm fuel. They jumped the gun with that bit of legislation. Should have waited until after the Federal election to make a decision and explain it to Albertans. But I suspect being able to blame Ottawa is good for them politically.
 
#26 ·
If I am going to pay a carbon tax, I'd rather pay it to Alberta than Ottawa. Wouldn't you? Put in another way, the carbon tax is here to stay until the Federal government changes hands. Therefore it was really stupid for the UCP to repeal the Alberta carbon tax. Now Albertans pay the tax, but it goes all to Ottawa. And of course we farmers are now saddled with additional paperwork and red tape including the likely requirement in the future to report when our fuel is used for personal purposes, whereas before it was automatically exempted. I'd far rather the UCP had just said to Albertans, we campaigned on the repeal of the carbon tax, but since the Federal government is not changing, we'd rather keep the tax local and use the money pay back Albertans, than let it go to Ottawa. Anyway, water under the bridge now, like you say, it is what it is.
 
#27 ·
True
But at lest if the feds slap the tax on Alberta. Gives a guy an another excuse to hate the ass clown in power
 
#29 ·
Yes meritmat, I think that's probably what the ucp want. Give us something to focus our irritation on while they simultaneously cut 6000 civil service jobs while at the same time they are all excited about making an Alberta revenue agency which will take money and require even more civil service jobs (for ucp supporters perhaps). Also hearing they are all excited to write a Constitution for Alberta but no inclination to take up difficult issues like the orphan wells problem. So far I'm unimpressed with them.
 
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