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For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Case IH

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Sounds like there are ALOT of corn/soybean/wheat guys here which is what the big companies build combines for. My situation is a little different, our main crop is Alfalfa Seed, traditionally Axial flow style machines have not worked well in this application and conventional walker style combines have dominated the A. Seed market. Up until last year that is when Deere decided to stop making walker machines, now I hear that they may be starting back up again? I don't know for sure. Anyway the 9600/9610 machines have done a really poor job of delivering a clean seed sample ever since they were introduced mostly due to the poor "quad" fan design and all the dead spots it creates. The 9500/10 has always done a better job most due to the same fan capacity as the 96's with one less walker. We have been looking at both the JD STS and the Case IH 7 and 8010 series. Does any one have any experience with rotories and tough thrashing crops like A. Seed?
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

Lexion just introduced its new 570 model 6 walker combine in North America. Same APS threshing as the hybrid combines and even has a separation cylinder above the walkers to enhance walker separation performance. www.lexioncombines.com
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Muddy, thanks for the response I would love to look at a lexion, but unfortunatly we have no dealer support in our area, NH also makes conventional machine that is suppose to be very good, but same problem.......no dealers. JD basically OWNS the market share here with 5 dealerships, and Case IH has 1. The product is only as good as its support.
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csfi, Where are you located?
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I'm located in Eastern Oregon
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We currently own 2 JD walker machines, the 9610 does an abismal job in A. Seed, it delivers at least 5-8% dirtier sample than the 9500 does. The best A. seed machine was the JD 7720's but the capacity is very low and with the amount of acres we are trying to cover its just not possible. We currently have a bit of a rock stuck in our craw with JD, they are gaining an attitude that is unpleasant to work with, and their quality has gone downhill fast. They are just starting to reap the benifits of ignoring customer concerns and acking like they are the only game in town. One of the biggest Green farmers in the valley is currently demoing a MX305 because they are on their 4th tranny on their 8520 and Deere is acting smuggly about it. Thats enough soap boxing for now, the suggestions are great please keep them coming!
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

I have 2 local John Deere WTS machines availiable. Both have warranty until May 2008.

1- 2006 with 500 sep hours and 1 is a 2007 with 400 sep hours. Asking $165,000 for the 2007 and $155,000 for the 2006.

Ty

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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

Ty, are these 96's?
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

Yes- 9660 WTS

The are setting on 800/65/32's with 480/80/26's. heavy Duty Adjustable Rear axle's, with lateral tilt feeder house.

Ty
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Talked to a custom guy today that has been using the JD STS in A. Seed and is very please with it. Maybe its just time to get an 9760 STS and a Case IH 8010 out to the farm for a demo this fall.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

What about a WTS machine.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

The 8010 is a lot bigger than the 9760

Jono
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

But the 8010 is red:)
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

another thing in its favour


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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

HAHAHAH you guys are funny, actually buying a Red combine would be a big departure for me, virtually everything we own is Green. The 8010's capacity really interests me and I want both dealers to WORK for my business not just expect it. I'm no longer "color blind" may the best machine win regardless of color.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

You really should let them demo a combine...Each company

Thats the best way to find out.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

I intend to do just that, I want a machine from each dealer thats willing to service their product. As of right now that leaves John Deere and Case IH. The rest of the companys are not represented at all around here or represented very poorly. JD has dealers all over in here and there is one Case IH dealer that used to be pretty bad but one of the owners has now moved here and it seems to have improved 100%. My main problem is going to be getting ahold of an 8010 to demo, they are basically non exsistant here, and I will not buy one without them showing me that it will work for my application, that is going to be a huge risk and expense to the Case IH dealer so we'll see what they do.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

That is really the best thing CSFI to demo the machines in your conditions before you buy. How hard have you tried other brands like Lexion, AGCO's challenger and NH. If you can't get the company to demo you one, maybe a custom harvester would. Also I found out sometimes one has to go a little higher up into the company hierarchy to get things done. It's sad so. I wish you well and keep us posted.
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bjmnet, actually I'm about as far east in eastern oregon as you can get, Malheur county on the Idaho/Oregon border (wish it was in Idaho, for reasons I'm sure you would know being from The Dalles) Anyway the Case dealer here is on the Idaho side...Burk's Tractor, the Deere Dealers are 3 Campbell Tractors all in Idaho and Hollingsworth Inc in Ontario OR. Unfortunatly none of these dealers have either an STS or a 8010 in stock. I know I won't have a problem getting ahold of the STS to demo but it might not be this fall, the 8010 is going to be the hard one. As far as the adjustable precleaner that would be a plus in corn and wheat here, but for A. seed we use a 3mm round hole screen. The 8010's capacity is really tempting just to give an example of our issues with A. seed, you have to defoliate the hay with a drying agent wait 4-8 days for it to dry. Then you can't start until about 11:00 AM because its too tough to rub out until the heat of the day drys the dew completely. You can run until about 8:00 PM, in that stretch of time I only get about 35 acres with a 9610 so increase capacity would really be nice.
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Re: For Lack of Walker Machines looking at STS/Cas

We do use 3mm hole screens on the precleaner, although they don't do much good. They are 90% pluged in the first hour and the Deere guys tell us to leave them that way the precleaner just robs air from the chaffer and main shoe. We straight cut everything, the wind here likes to roll it up in a big ball if we swath it. How do you like your STS compared to the 88's? Does it have enough capacity to replace the other two?
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