[regency]

I have a bourgalt 3310 drill that I am looking at switching over to liquid urea. I picked up a cart last week at an auction. Not finding much info online about distribution systems, pumps, etc.

What do I need and where do I find it? All I have is a Yetter 2000 gal cart. It does have a hyd pump mounted on it but nothing else. Thanks.

 

[sinapisalba]

Why liquid Urea? UAN will allow you to cover more acres per fill, and it's not as prone to volatilization losses.

 

[amishdonkeys]

call Rick at Pattison Liquid. He will set you up with everything you need Liquid Fertilizer Equipment - Pattison Liquid Systems

 

[thorpy]

Same as what amishdonkeys said, Pattison will be able to help you out with what you need. A few variables will change what you need, ex) variable rate nozzles, sectional control, rates etc. They won't be the cheapest option out there, but they do have excellent service and will take the time to make sure you get what you need.

 

[regency]

Liquid N is what I meant to say.

 

[regency]

OK thanks. What setups are people using? Hyd pump vs ground driven?

 

[thorpy]

If you are going with a sectional control I recommend a hyd pump. It gives a constant flow of liquid, versus a ground drive will fluctuate when turning etc, and will cause rate hunting. Hyd system needs flow control meter/valve of some kind, while a ground drive is the pump and metering system (still need nozzle orifices) all in one. Our setup is hyd pump with raven quick valve/sectional control, controlled by JD 2630 and rate controller. Has worked very well, and have run for 6 seasons.

 

[Ben Heide]

If you are going with a sectional control I recommend a hyd pump. It gives a constant flow of liquid, versus a ground drive will fluctuate when turning etc, and will cause rate hunting. Hyd system needs flow control meter/valve of some kind, while a ground drive is the pump and metering system (still need nozzle orifices) all in one. Our setup is hyd pump with raven quick valve/sectional control, controlled by JD 2630 and rate controller. Has worked very well, and have run for 6 seasons.

Have had 2 sectional control ground drive systems from the previously mentioned Pattison Liquid Systems. Very happy with both, didn't rate hunt as I just set the pump a little higher than I needed and the Raven fast close valve did all the adjusting automatically with signal from either a Viper pro or a JD 2630. The pump on your cart will indicate which way you'll get your pressure. I also blend my S into the 28-0-0 via 15-0-0-20 on the yard with good results to free up space in the air cart.

 

[NairibinFarms]

Have a look at Liquid Systems SA. They have the contract for JD carts & many others around the world now. His systems are awesome plug/play. Fully detailed to fit up a 5 year old could put it together! Great back up & support. Not sure who retails them in Canada & America but could find out. If your going to go down this path do it properly or not at all. Save time, money & headaches in the long run.

 

[jaymo]

I'm running a liquid system through a Viper Pro with section control and a ground drive pump. The only time you will have trouble with "rate hunting" is if you get air in the system. That would be a problem with a hydraulic pump as well.
If your caddy already has a hydraulic pump setup I would go with that as John Blue ground pumps are not cheap either.
One drawback of the ground drive pump is slow speed application. If you turn on a headland the pump will almost stop as your heading into your next pass. It will have trouble building enough pressure at the very start of the headland. Sometimes leaving a slight fertilizer fade-in.

 

[regency]

Thanks for the input. Gives me a lot to go on.

What do you do for on farm storage? Put in a bunch of poly tanks or is there another cheaper option? Saw in a paper somewhere a bladder that you can set up and temporarily store your fertilizer in. When done you roll it up and put it in a shed. Cant remember who sells it or where I even saw it. Trying to figure out my budget for this project.

 

[amishdonkeys]

You will be ok to run ground pump if just doing liquid N. We run all our fert as liquid and use to run a ground pump. Never gave a constant flow turning on headland or on sloughs. Switched to hyd pump & auto rate and its awesome. Would never go back even if just running liquid N.

Hold On Industries will have sales on 5,000-10,000 gal storage tanks. Just watch paper.

 

[Ben Heide]

You will be ok to run ground pump if just doing liquid N. We run all our fert as liquid and use to run a ground pump. Never gave a constant flow turning on headland or on sloughs. Switched to hyd pump & auto rate and its awesome. Would never go back even if just running liquid N.

Hold On Industries will have sales on 5,000-10,000 gal storage tanks. Just watch paper.

If your close enough, I have a couple tanks for sale. PM me if interested.

 

[regency]

If your close enough, I have a couple tanks for sale. PM me if interested.

Ben Thanks for the offer but the closest town in Manitoba (being Brandon) is about 6 1/2 hours away from me. Not sure where you would be.

 

[regency]

You will be ok to run ground pump if just doing liquid N. We run all our fert as liquid and use to run a ground pump. Never gave a constant flow turning on headland or on sloughs. Switched to hyd pump & auto rate and its awesome. Would never go back even if just running liquid N.

Hold On Industries will have sales on 5,000-10,000 gal storage tanks. Just watch paper.

For the time being I am just going to do N, at least with the drill. I am also looking at possibly pulling the cart behind my corn planter if I can get that set up. The wheels on the cart are set up on 30" spacing, just not sure how I would pull it behind the planter yet. If I figure that one out I can batch mix the P and N.

I guess as of right now I am leaning toward sectional control through my 2600 display. Would also like to be able to do variable rate/prescription application.

 

[STR1]

Pattison will have everything you need. I've used a ground drive pump and would agree the hydraulic pump would be much smoother and more constant pressure at headlands. I use a Ravin sectional control thru a JD 2630, very nice to operate. We've used all liquid fertilizer some years and some years have used liquid N and Granular for the remainder. Leaves you with allot of options with liquid kit on a drill. As far as on farm storage in the past I had mild steel tanks but have switched to all poly Fert Tanks, they each hold a Super-B load and corrosion will not be an issue, also if something was to happen to one tank you only lose the contents of that tank rather than a larger volume in a large tank. The only other option for storage would be Stainless steel storage tanks. Both are available thru Pattison. Best of luck with your new seeding system, you will really like liquid fertilizer IMO.

 

[Ben Heide]

Ben Thanks for the offer but the closest town in Manitoba (being Brandon) is about 6 1/2 hours away from me. Not sure where you would be.

An hour south of Bdn near the US border.

I have a couple Meridian hoppers with liquid gates and epoxy coating. Can hold about 180mt in each, was starting to get quite a string of poly tanks on my yard, tho I've kept a couple for liquid S.

Start looking into pricing your approximate needs for next year in July/Aug. Generally this is the best time to buy and will pay you to have storage. I booked my needs for next year Monday, and even though it's a July pull contract, they've often only been delivered in the late fall or new year.

 

[thorpy]

I'm running a liquid system through a Viper Pro with section control and a ground drive pump. The only time you will have trouble with "rate hunting" is if you get air in the system. That would be a problem with a hydraulic pump as well.
If your caddy already has a hydraulic pump setup I would go with that as John Blue ground pumps are not cheap either.
One drawback of the ground drive pump is slow speed application. If you turn on a headland the pump will almost stop as your heading into your next pass. It will have trouble building enough pressure at the very start of the headland. Sometimes leaving a slight fertilizer fade-in.

I was referring to the turning problem where the ground drive pump will cause rate hunting. The hyd system gives a consistent flow and takes one factor out of the equation.