My uncle and I were talking at the resturant tonight about new combines tonight and wishing how nice it'd be to have a new combines. And he said that he would love to have a new massey 9xxx series which is the same as the gleaner a's. I proceeded to tell him that a lot of people on this forum hate them but I couldn't tell him why? Are they that bad of a machine for 300,000 ? And why are they that bad? What does the r series have over them? I am not a gleaner man and we have no agco dealers around here to speak of. Please not interested in hearing people whine about AGCO and them cutting the r-series or them elimanating gleaner all togther they have other threads for that. I justa wanna hear straight combine talk please. Thanks in advance.
gleaner a's that bad?
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ok never really been around the a's but I believe gleaner r's have better bin sample and keep grain in the machine with respect of distributor augers and accellerator rolls, as an axial rotates it has tendencey to throw grain due to centrifical force all to one side overloading the shoe on that side, however the axial must work because all brands have them.
I believe the silver axial gets it's poor reputation because gleaner guys like the r's concept and don't like like the idea that their gleaner is a massey, just like the massey guys would not be caught in a silver machine.
There is nothing wrong with an a series if you want an axial combine however I would be aweful concered about resale value
I believe the silver axial gets it's poor reputation because gleaner guys like the r's concept and don't like like the idea that their gleaner is a massey, just like the massey guys would not be caught in a silver machine.
There is nothing wrong with an a series if you want an axial combine however I would be aweful concered about resale value
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Most Massey Axial flow owners they will say they love their machine. Cheap, minimal components, reliable. You can buy a demo for 150 to 200 K depending on the class.
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Most Massey Axial flow owners they will say they love their machine. Cheap, minimal components, reliable. You can buy a demo for 150 to 200 K depending on the class.
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we have sold both the A75's and R75's The R has more capacity in corn and beans in our area.
I have run the A series. I dont hate the combine. It has alot of capacity. Has been very reliable over the last 2 years. The only problem I have with it ,is it will not make a good corn sample. I have tried everything but stand on my head and the sample in corn sucks. I went from a R75 so I guess I was expecting 2 much. We have put the other chaffer in,that Agco brought out to us to get more air. We have taken reverse bars out. We have changed and rearanged everything inside the rotor. Changed setting on the concave,speed ,nothing helps unless you want to close everything down and drive 2 miles an hour. You cannot get the cobs out of the tank. I can run right beside it with an L3 and have a perfect sample. In beans the sample is exellent,even with the chaffer in the bottom. I told the Agco guy if you dont make the broken cobs you dont have to clean them out. I dont think anyone at Agco knows why the class 8 combine creates cobs like it does. I think its in the feeder in front of the rotor. I think it needs to be slowed down or raised up for corn.
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We have two MF 9895's two 12rows cant complain a bit about them. We just took almost all the knives, paddles, reverser bars out of the rotor, run from 0.7-0.9 on the concave 300rpms (can go 280if the rotor light dont come on) and has a pretty good sample in dry corn. a few cobs but you have to adjust concave from variety to variety. Beans 2-40ft MacDons and can run 5-7mph in 60bu beans no problem just how hard you want to push
Only complaint i would have need to beef up the return a lil...
This is our 3rd year with them and probably the best since we shy'd away from the full fingured augers.
Only complaint i would have need to beef up the return a lil...
This is our 3rd year with them and probably the best since we shy'd away from the full fingured augers.
I beleive only the IH- Case/IH machines are Axial Flows... their probably pattented name/seperation system. The term you should use is rotary. New Holland uses two rotors and I think the Lexions use two also. I can guarantee the NH doesn't overload the shoe on one side. I am not bashing you but don't want ya to spread somewhat misguided info.
ilggleaner I had an R-60 that I had the same trouble with. Spent 9000.00 on that and a few minor things to try and get it right. What a waste! Isn't any better had the mechanics out that was not worth it I had it better. Finally I had enough traded for an R-52, Night and day difference and I still don't know what could have been wrong. Anybody out there know? Thanks
popeye, Depending on the year R60. '89 and prior had P1 system that would benifit greatly with channel helical kit along with a couple extra discharge paddles. '90 and later had P3 which could use steep thresher helicals, rotor sweeps, and last row of cylinder bars extended all the way to discharge. That R60 can be one mean 228hp machine.
nddan, Thanks for the info I should have got on this sight before, I didn't know you could add extra discharge paddles. They did put in all new bars and did I thought everything they could. Oh well I am very happy with the R-52. Thanks again and have a good day!
ilgleaner i agree with you i think the front beater is breaking the cobs up and causing problems to clean it up,we put the new chaffer in our combine halfway through and helped a lot running rotor at 300-360 fan wide open bottom sieve set at 3.5 and top at 6.0 little numbers in the sieve where i am getting then numbers concave at 1.0 no reverse bars, knives are all in seperating area. i do think the beater slowed down would help a lot, allen we got teh sieve from kuhn really like it! we are running kuchar concaves as well
You are correct by the definition of the original IH patent of their design, but if you also look up the term, "axial-flow" either in a dictionary or just on the internet, you will find it simply defines a longitudinal path of current.
While it is true that a certain brand of combine bore this name as a trademark, the same term is also very generic. Any combine with either single or dual rotors configured lengthwise with the separator, is called axial. "Axial-flow" was used in aircraft as well as to define a type of fan, for decades before any such rotaery combine came into the picture.
I hope this clarifies the definitions for you.
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Well ya learn something new everyday! I was referring to the trademarked term but enjoy the info. So what do they call the Gleaners with the sideways rotors? Just rotaries?
While it is true that a certain brand of combine bore this name as a trademark, the same term is also very generic. Any combine with either single or dual rotors configured lengthwise with the separator, is called axial. "Axial-flow" was used in aircraft as well as to define a type of fan, for decades before any such rotaery combine came into the picture.
I hope this clarifies the definitions for you.
Well ya learn something new everyday! I was referring to the trademarked term but enjoy the info. So what do they call the Gleaners with the sideways rotors? Just rotaries?
You are correct by the definition of the original IH patent of their design, but if you also look up the term, "axial-flow" either in a dictionary or just on the internet, you will find it simply defines a longitudinal path of current.
While it is true that a certain brand of combine bore this name as a trademark, the same term is also very generic. Any combine with either single or dual rotors configured lengthwise with the separator, is called axial. "Axial-flow" was used in aircraft as well as to define a type of fan, for decades before any such rotaery combine came into the picture.
I hope this clarifies the definitions for you.
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While it is true that a certain brand of combine bore this name as a trademark, the same term is also very generic. Any combine with either single or dual rotors configured lengthwise with the separator, is called axial. "Axial-flow" was used in aircraft as well as to define a type of fan, for decades before any such rotaery combine came into the picture.
I hope this clarifies the definitions for you.
I bought an A75 new in 2008 and a 36' MacDon header. My problem has been a lack of power. Gleaner has reprogramed the engine and will come out with another program update before wheat harvest 2010. I like the design and simplicity, less moving parts but that damned sisu engine. I know it is the EPA crap but she sure lacks power. However I am going to stick with it one more year and let the company get it all lined out. I don't want to go to that one mile of feeder chain dumping the load to another feeder chain then finally to the rotor. The A series design is great just needs a good ole cummins engine powering it. They also have a problem with their radiator screen update that they now turn 225rpm. Need the old design from the G.
rburk, The rock protection is a sump. You dont have a "rock door" that is going to fly open and ,then stop and reset it. You are suppose to clean it out everyday,that way there is always a place for those rocks to fall. Its in the throat right above the transmisson.
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I know about the sump. I cleaned it out when I was done. Not too impressed with dumping it onto the transmission. It would be a little neater with a cover over it. I couldn't really push the machine with a 6 row head. Should have had some green stem beans for a test. We still can't decide which way to go Gleaner or Massey. May just get new heads next year. Our R62 ran almost trouble free this year, but is getting some hours and age on it.
We had A 9690 for 3 years and sold it last fall after demoing the 9895. However instead of going to the 9895 I wanted to try a gleaner for just one year. Since it was a "trial" we didn't want to spend a lot so we got an r 72. Now I am really happy with the R and its performance is very similar to the 9895. And that is 330 compared to 425hp. But I will say that if you have no intention of spending the money and time to modify the r (pre 08) then you would be quite happy with the massey.
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