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So might be going to look at a J+M 750-14 tomorrow. It has a pto on it, but the front wheel assist 110 horse might be too small for it. The dealer said they are easily converted to run with hydraulic. Our 4 wheel drive is a 9680 Ford New Holland, which is on the low side for hydraulic flow to run the cart, it will run it he says, just not as fast. To my understanding, if they put the hydraulic kit on it, you can switch back and forth fairly easily, is that correct? What do you guys think? Is there any things with these carts that give problems? Sounds like it's in good shape.
Friend did that, put hyd drive on he wasn't happy.
Not sure what cart he has but the 4wd tractor got traded on a 300hp fwa and the cart switched to pto drive and now he is happy.
He said the hyd was way too slow originally he had it on CIH 9350 4wd ps but no pto.
 

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We’ve got a j&m 875-18 pulled by a 150 hp fwa. Fully loaded in field it’s a pull about 9 mph top speed but that’s fast enough for me. Takes all the horsepower I have with pto auger wide open so I’d think you’d be disappointed with hyd drive.
 

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The tongue is the weak point on a j&m, I think the front scale load cell bent twice, and then the tongue snapped clean off once a the cart speared verticle right beside the highway.. overall a good cart put take it easy crossing ditches and dont have a hitch pin that fits too tight. An 875 wasnt really made to keep grain away from 4 class 8 combines though either and on a 500 hp tractor you didnt feel it much back there for what that's worth.

It got sold 4 years ago for 19k I believe
 

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So might be going to look at a J+M 750-14 tomorrow. It has a pto on it, but the front wheel assist 110 horse might be too small for it. The dealer said they are easily converted to run with hydraulic. Our 4 wheel drive is a 9680 Ford New Holland, which is on the low side for hydraulic flow to run the cart, it will run it he says, just not as fast. To my understanding, if they put the hydraulic kit on it, you can switch back and forth fairly easily, is that correct? What do you guys think? Is there any things with these carts that give problems? Sounds like it's in good shape.
Kevlar you will never regret having a cart. Some say its like adding half a combine to your outfit. I use a 875-16 and when I bought it new it had a 30 gallon per minute pump and ran it on a 946 versatile. It was not as good as a pto but it worked. The 30 gallon pump is too small I feel so this year I updated the pump to 55 gallon per minute pump. Made a big difference on my 9530 JD. 55 gallon pump was not cheap , around 4000 but I guess it beats buying a front wheel assist tractor. The difference between a 875-16 and a 875 -18, is the 18 inch auger unloads twice as fast. Book says 2 minute unload time on 18 inch auger so not sure about a 14. Mine is 11 years old now and still looks brand new, So far no cracks on the frame. I would not hesitate to buy another J &M . The 30 gallon pump should not be a deal breaker though, as long as your operator is careful not to open the gate full you should be ok. That cart has helped me through a lot of wet harvests!
Cant believe 11 years ago I paid 26000 for it new, Looking at the New elmers 1400 I would have to add another hundred thou!lol. Good luck with your harvest, hope we get some dry weather soon.
 

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Kevlar I would try to size a cart according to your truck size and combine hopper size so you can be as efficient as possible. If you use a semi the 750 would not fill the trailer in one dump. If you are filling tandems the 750 would be plenty big.
 

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I've taken that into account. Combine hopper is 350, so could take two full hoppers. Use a tandem, so one stop could fill it. Tridem would take 2 dumps. A cart big enough to fill a tri axle in one stop is out of our budget. The more I think about having both pto option or hydraulic is nice. Don't really want to put hours on our 4 wheel drive unless needed, so will use the fwa as much as I can. I don't need to fill the cart to the nuts all the time, so hopefully it will handle it. Would rather upgrade the fwa than the 4 wheel drive.
 

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I have a brent 2096. It holds 2000 bu and usually is a really nice bin to park in the field. It is way too big for my operation, but comes in handy at nights, or when truck drivers are scarce. Also very convenient when I can get elevators to haul right off my field. Hold enough for two semis or 3 of my tandems. It has the raven u-harvest system that has paid for itself many times over already with finding my elevator had a broken weigh bar in there scale.
 

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So might be going to look at a J+M 750-14 tomorrow. It has a pto on it, but the front wheel assist 110 horse might be too small for it. The dealer said they are easily converted to run with hydraulic. Our 4 wheel drive is a 9680 Ford New Holland, which is on the low side for hydraulic flow to run the cart, it will run it he says, just not as fast. To my understanding, if they put the hydraulic kit on it, you can switch back and forth fairly easily, is that correct? What do you guys think? Is there any things with these carts that give problems? Sounds like it's in good shape.
Tried my 9680 on a 750 Demco with hydraulic or pto. Auger runs pretty slow with that hydraulic setup. Works but you don't want to be in a hurry. PTO is better.

To switch you unpin the shaft on the hydraulic motor and pull it off. PTO just pops on.
 

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Got the 750 Bourgault it handles two class 8 combines have the 500 case fwd on it 55 gallons per min. Combines never stop. Never.
Put the bigger tractor on 110 gpm. I would say it’s as good as pto. Faster big time!!
 

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Just a FYI if you have a properly calibrated scale on cart, and put everything through it, lots of insurance companies will use that info instead of measuring bins.
The insurance companies here too don't like to use cart scales. However when the adjusters come out, I've handed them the scale weights and they always brighten up and tell me that their bin measurements will conveniently match the scale.
 

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It was painful with my hydraulic pump how slow it unloaded. It was minutes to unload which I didn't have time for, Had our 4wd on it with 2 hydraulic sets of hoses with 2 remotes running it on a 946 vers. I put an old 7060 Allis we have (160HP) 2wd on it and its not a speed demon in the field but unloads with the PTO wicked fast. I just use my 1 truck now. Semi with 34' tandem trailer. I jump in the cart and 2 hoppers from an class 6 and a class 7 and 2 trips with cart to my truck and I am off. # mile haul to my 13" grain max and I can be back just in time for the class 7 to unload on my truck.
 

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I've taken that into account. Combine hopper is 350, so could take two full hoppers. Use a tandem, so one stop could fill it. Tridem would take 2 dumps. A cart big enough to fill a tri axle in one stop is out of our budget. The more I think about having both pto option or hydraulic is nice. Don't really want to put hours on our 4 wheel drive unless needed, so will use the fwa as much as I can. I don't need to fill the cart to the nuts all the time, so hopefully it will handle it. Would rather upgrade the fwa than the 4 wheel drive.
What I am seeing with your numbers is you need/want a bigger cart if your combine is 350 bu. As soon as you unload on the go which is one of the reasons for getting a cart, you add 50-75 bu every time you unload. And you do not want to stop your combine unloading auger full. So now you are up over 400 bu every dump so your cart should hold 2 of those with a little room to spare. So 850-900 bu. Harvesting for me also involves being able to make it down and back on a 1/2 mile which is harder to do as headers get wider. Which means carts need to be bigger and needs to under the combine spout every round or you get messed up with combines full at the far end of the field and a long way from the empty truck waiting close to the road and the shortest quickest way to the bin. It just works better if you keep the cart unloads short and simple and regular. I actually never used a cart but did the exact same unload rotation with 2 combines ( class 6 and 8) and 2 tandems dumping into a pit in the yard. Worked good until I added a class 9 instead of a 6 and the 2 combines did not fit into a tandem. The answer was a tridrive with a bigger box so the combines could fully unload. Same principle with a cart. Grain flow becomes pretty serious when you get a couple of class 8s ? with full 350- 400 bu hoppers every 12-15 minutes. Every second counts and some of these details add up at the end of the day or harvest.
 

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Flamans rents them for the season. If at the end you can put the rental price against the sales price
 

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What I am seeing with your numbers is you need/want a bigger cart if your combine is 350 bu. As soon as you unload on the go which is one of the reasons for getting a cart, you add 50-75 bu every time you unload. And you do not want to stop your combine unloading auger full. So now you are up over 400 bu every dump so your cart should hold 2 of those with a little room to spare. So 850-900 bu. Harvesting for me also involves being able to make it down and back on a 1/2 mile which is harder to do as headers get wider. Which means carts need to be bigger and needs to under the combine spout every round or you get messed up with combines full at the far end of the field and a long way from the empty truck waiting close to the road and the shortest quickest way to the bin. It just works better if you keep the cart unloads short and simple and regular. I actually never used a cart but did the exact same unload rotation with 2 combines ( class 6 and 8) and 2 tandems dumping into a pit in the yard. Worked good until I added a class 9 instead of a 6 and the 2 combines did not fit into a tandem. The answer was a tridrive with a bigger box so the combines could fully unload. Same principle with a cart. Grain flow becomes pretty serious when you get a couple of class 8s ? with full 350- 400 bu hoppers every 12-15 minutes. Every second counts and some of these details add up at the end of the day or harvest.

A combine can dump before it's full, a tandem won't hold two full hoppers anyway. Currently just use the tandem, unless it's a longer haul, we will park the truck and triaxle in the field. I dump when the lights first flash, so about 3/4 of a hopper. We dump on the go as much as possible. I then go back to the end or near the end so we can dump the second 3/4 or so hopper on the go (mounted a back up cam looking into the box, really recommend this, makes it so nice!). Very seldom do we dump at the far end of a swath, unless it's cut off by a slough or something, dump as close to the field entrance as much as possible. Often cut a round short with the combine in order to dump back at the closest end of the field. I'm really not trying to improve the combines efficiency as there are days it doesn't stop moving for hours on end, until my brother needs a pi$$. My problem is the wet fields.


Looked at a J&M today, seemed alright, but the tires were cracked a bit and paint faded, but overall decent shape. Also looked at a Bourgault 750 Smart Cart. Anyone have experience with the Bourgault one? Never really considered it until we looked at it, just always seen the bigger ones.
 

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We got a smart cart last year to make unloading on the go easier and also because of wet ground. I haul with two tandems and my wife runs the cart (son drives the lexion). With only one year can't say much about it but it did what we wanted without any issues. Has a libra scale that's pretty amazing considering it's ten year old technology. PTO version. There's a lot of grease points in the auger elbow that can be a pain but they are a once a week job so not too bad.
 

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Your operation sounds similar to ours. Started living the dream 8 years ago farming on our own. Bought a jd9610, one tandem, case 9270, and j&m 750-14. Bought a hyd motor, made a chain coupler and put it on the cart. About half speed of pto. Absolutely fantastic harvest set up for 1500 acres. Wife on the combine, kids on the cart (no drivers yet) and I drove truck. Hyd drive was easily adequate. Combine never stopped. Have since upgraded to class 8 combine and pto tractor but no need to upgrade the cart.
 

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We ended up getting the Bourgault cart. The other carts we looked at were a little rough around the edges but over all were good shape. The Bourgault had better tires. We plan on just using the FWA for this fall with the PTO, figured you guys on here would have a cheaper way to make the hydraulic conversion cheaper than to buy from the dealer, $$$$$$! We need to upgrade one of the four wheel drives, so now will look around for one with a PTO. Figured that even if we aren't happy with the cart, they seem to hold their value, so would get our money back out of it.
 

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Little late to the party here but if you plan on running it on the 110hp fwa I assume you checked the tongue weight of the cart vs the drawbar on the tractor? Hate to overload the tractor and break the drawbar first day in.
 

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Well, things have now changed due to the lovey weather, yet again. It will now be too wet to even consider using the front wheel assist this fall on the cart. Our 4 wheel drive doesn't have a PTO so we might have to put a hydraulic drive on the cart. Anyone out there with experience with this? I don't have a clue what the requirements are. A kit from Bourgault is $5200 and for some reason will take 2 weeks to get here. Can anyone help me out? The tractor is a '95 Ford New Holland 9680. Not sure what it has for GPM, tractor data has it listed at 30 gpm. The cart is a Bourgault 750 Smart Cart.
 
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